Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2024 September 30

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more templates or modules. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the template's talk page or in a deletion review).

The result of the discussion was Withdrawn. (non-admin closure) jlwoodwa (talk) 19:44, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Taxonomy/Cytorhabdovirus gramineae (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

I think this template is unnecessary – {{virusbox}} can just pick the information up from Template:Taxonomy/Cytorhabdovirus. (See Category:Taxonomy templates for species.) jlwoodwa (talk) 23:58, 30 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Jlwoodwa: Look at what uses this template. There are ranks below species. See Winter wheat Russian mosaic virus. awkwafaba (📥) 01:55, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, unusually for a species, this template is needed because of Template:Taxonomy/Cytorhabdovirus gramineae/?. (@Jlwoodwa: just to note that taxonomy templates are rather special because of the way that they are processed. So your edit destroyed everything below this template, down to Winter wheat Russian mosaic virus.) Peter coxhead (talk) 06:10, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Awkwafaba and Peter coxhead: Sorry, mea culpa. I'll withdraw this and add a note to Category:Taxonomy templates for species. jlwoodwa (talk) 19:43, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The above is preserved as an archive of the discussion. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the template or module's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.

Template:S-s

Template:S-s (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Obsolete template which is redundant to the more feature-rich {{signpost/item}}. Just redirecting causes lint errors, so we need to add a pipe before the templates before redirecting (example edit). House Blaster (talk • he/they) 20:38, 30 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: A redirect was attempted, but a pipe and a line break appear to be needed before each entry, so a bot or AWB editor may need to get involved before a redirect can happen. I have noincluded the TFD notice in order to fix the formatting on the 2,000+ pages that transclude this template. I also notified Wikipedia talk:Wikipedia Signpost/Technical. – Jonesey95 (talk) 23:31, 30 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Pogoda klimat

Template:Pogoda klimat (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Unused citation template. Citation templates even when in-use should have more than a few transclusions to justify their creations. Gonnym (talk) 13:42, 30 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Salted redirect

Template:Salted redirect (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Unused redirect template which was created in 2018. Gonnym (talk) 13:39, 30 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Scarborough, North Yorkshire weatherbox

Template:Scarborough, North Yorkshire weatherbox (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Unused climate table. Scarborough, North Yorkshire#Climate uses a different table. Gonnym (talk) 13:38, 30 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The problem here is that the record highs, and record low temperatures cannot be replicated as the current weatherbox on the Scarborough article uses a cite (Voodoo Skies) which was archived on Wayback Machine in 2016, thereby rendering the data obsolete by about eight years. Recommend *KEEP, and replace on page with this disputed weatherbox, so that any changes can be appended through the template, and not in the article itself. Any record temepratures can be dealt with as prose underneath the weatherbox. For example, the current weatherbox states the highest temperature in July to have been 27.5 Celsius, but in July 2022, it reached 32.3 degrees.^[1] The Voodoo Skies data is now well out of date. Regards. The joy of all things (talk) 15:53, 30 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

If your table is better, then I'd still say it should be subst into the article. There is no reason to hide article content inside templates that have no watchers. Gonnym (talk) 16:02, 30 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Gonnym I agree; I apologise for not inserting/replacing it earlier (don't know why I didn't). I know you are trying to make the project a tidier place, and these instances don't help, so I am sorry.

What's the process for de-listing the template, please? Thanks. The joy of all things (talk) 18:00, 30 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ah; I see it's an administrator's decision. I will wait out. The joy of all things (talk) 18:01, 30 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It's fine, it's not an admin issue at all. I've added the content from the template to the article. Gonnym (talk) 06:52, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I would keep this type of infomation in the template rather than place it in the article, it can then be used in other articles for locations near Scarborough. Keith D (talk) 19:36, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ Buksmann, George (12 August 2022). "Scarborough officially smashes temperature record as Met Office confirms new hottest day". The Scarborough News. Retrieved 30 September 2024.

Template:Super Rugby format history

Template:Super Rugby format history (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Unused table after being subst into article with this edit. Gonnym (talk) 13:36, 30 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Unused navbox with almost all red links. Gonnym (talk) 09:00, 30 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, this template has been created preemptively for an extinct clade of rodent genera, on the assumption that the group would eventually be worked upon in the near future, and is still pending for peer review, which is why it has not been approved yet. Larrayal (talk) 09:10, 30 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

In situations like this where articles don't exist yet, either the navbox shouldn't be created (as it offers no navigation) or created in your sandbox so you can work on it at your own pace. Gonnym (talk) 09:24, 30 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, would it help if I decide to create a few sourced stub pages over the next few days to keep this template? PrimalMustelid (talk) 13:38, 30 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The navbox is done, I'm not the one in charge of working on expanding them, nor am I in any position to pressure them into doing these. I oppose the deletion on the basis that it was a lot of work on my behalf and that it will be put back on articlespace anyway in a few months, if not weeks. Larrayal (talk) 13:43, 30 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

WP:CRYSTALL. You don't really know when or even if any article is going to be created, and if those created will be kept and not deleted or redirected. A navbox's sole purpose is to offer navigation between related pages. If there are no pages, then it fails this. WP:NAVBOX Gonnym (talk) 16:05, 30 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Gonnym Alright, I created some sourced stub pages for the recently named theridomorphs Reinomys, Auroremys, Burgia, and Idicia. If there's any further action that I need to pursue to preserve this template, let me know. PrimalMustelid (talk) 18:38, 30 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

While I see the argument that it's premature, I would argue that WP:Redlink logic applies regarding the fact that the existence of the navbox promotes the creation of these missing pages. LittleLazyLass (Talk | Contributions) 18:47, 30 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Please read the relevant portion of that guideline, which is at WP:REDNOT: Red links may be used in navboxes which also contain links to existing articles, but they cannot be excessive. Editors who add excessive red links to navboxes are expected to actively work on building those articles, or the links may be removed from the template. This template can be moved to User or Project space until it is ready for use. If this template is deleted via this discussion, there should be no objection to undeletion of this template once it is useful for navigation. In the meantime, there is not even a main article for this navbox (see WP:NAVBOX), nor a page at Draft:Theridomorpha, nor any apparent draft page with that string on it, so it is unclear what is "pending for peer review". Mysteries abound. – Jonesey95 (talk) 19:53, 30 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Would it help if I quickly work on a Theridomorpha article by the next day? PrimalMustelid (talk) 20:33, 30 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Larrayal @Gonnym @Jonesey95 I think for the sake of future policy, we should bring this up on the Wikipedia:Tree of Life WikiProject, as it’s typically within their jurisdiction to determine policies about taxa articles and related issues. Last time, they did rule that all valid and undisputed taxa of genus rank and higher are assumed to be notable in relation to articles. Therefore, it’s worth asking whether this applies to templates as well. I will still be working on the Theridomorpha article later, just worth considering. PrimalMustelid (talk) 20:52, 30 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, it would help to have more blue links in the navbox, especially in the title box, and for the navbox to be transcluded at the bottom of the linked articles. The navbox would not have appeared on our reports if it had been used anywhere. As for bringing up a discussion elsewhere, feel free, but as you can see from the linked guidelines, which apply to all of the English Wikipedia, navboxes are supposed to contain links to existing articles. In general, editors should create at least some of the articles before creating a navbox to accompany them. A localized discussion is unlikely to change those guidelines; instead, projects and editors can modify their editing patterns slightly in order to comply with these long-established guidelines. Step 1: create some articles. Step 2: create a navbox to link those articles together. That is the usual practice. – Jonesey95 (talk) 21:26, 30 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:MCBdyk

Template:MCBdyk (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Unused DYK related template. Probably replaced with a more general template. Gonnym (talk) 08:57, 30 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:AUTOPATRightPlace

Template:AUTOPATRightPlace (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Unused banner-looking navbox. Gonnym (talk) 08:43, 30 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:APA pulmonic consonants table

Template:APA pulmonic consonants table (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Unused language table. Gonnym (talk) 08:41, 30 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Diplomatic missions of the Democratic Republic of the Congo

Template:Diplomatic missions of the Democratic Republic of the Congo (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Pointless to have a nav box with just 1 English entry. LibStar (talk) 07:02, 30 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Diplomatic missions of Somalia

Template:Diplomatic missions of Somalia (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Contains no English entries. Pointless as a nav box. LibStar (talk) 06:20, 30 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Diplomatic missions of Uganda

Template:Diplomatic missions of Uganda (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Only has 2 English links. Pointless for a nav box to have 2 entries. LibStar (talk) 05:05, 30 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Kartvelian languages

Template:Kartvelian languages (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Template:Georgian language (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Propose merging Template:Kartvelian languages with Template:Georgian language.
I think Template:Kartvelian languages should be merged with Template:Georgian language and then the latter template moved to 'Template:Kartvelian languages', because I think the former template's too small to be separate, with only 10 strictly language-related links, including the link to the main article, two links to proto-languages, two links to language sub-families, four links to modern languages, and one link to a historical language, because there's a bit of overlap with the latter template, and because Georgian's the most widely known and spoken language of this family. PK2 (talk; contributions) 04:53, 30 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Diplomatic missions of Guinea

Template:Diplomatic missions of Guinea (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Only has 2 English entries, 1 of which (India) is a redirect. No point having a nav box for 1 entry. LibStar (talk) 00:06, 30 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Diplomatic missions of Kenya

Template:Diplomatic missions of Kenya (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Pointless having a nav box with just 2 English entries. One of which is up for deletion. LibStar (talk) 00:01, 30 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

[1] Buksmann, George (12 August 2022). "Scarborough officially smashes temperature record as Met Office confirms new hottest day". The Scarborough News. Retrieved 30 September 2024.

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