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Add Imperial examination  5

Added 7-0. Added to History. starship.paint (RUN) 14:23, 6 August 2024 (UTC)

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For centuries, the imperial examination system profoundly influenced Imperial China's society, determining social status and governance. It provided a path for social advancement based on merit. It legitimized the ruling dynasty, ensured political stability, and reinforced cultural norms through its emphasis on Confucian ideology. However, it perpetuated gender inequality by excluding women. And was apperently important for Chinese mythology (see Imperial examination in Chinese mythology). All the elite of Imperial China was a jinshi, the highest degree of the exam. In essence, the imperial examination system shaped Chinese society, governance, and culture, leaving a lasting impact on its civilization. The Blue Rider 20:29, 5 March 2024 (UTC)

Support
  1. As nominator. The Blue Rider 20:29, 5 March 2024 (UTC)
  2. SailorGardevoir (talk) 20:32, 5 March 2024 (UTC)
  3. Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 04:32, 6 March 2024 (UTC)
  4. This feels VA5-worthy based on vibes. I consider this to be more of a History topic however. feminist🩸 (talk) 02:04, 11 March 2024 (UTC)
  5. Per nominator. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 20:01, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
  6. I also feel like this should be a History VA. Mathwriter2718 (talk) 13:58, 21 July 2024 (UTC)
  7. Vileplume 🍋‍🟩 (talk) 14:01, 28 July 2024 (UTC)
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Add Knowledge management  5

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Added 4–0. Makkool (talk) 16:21, 25 August 2024 (UTC)

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Place under Management  3 at Wikipedia:Vital articles/Level/5/Society and social sciences/Politics and economics

Support
  1. As nominator. feminist🩸 (talk) 14:59, 28 February 2024 (UTC)
  2. Interstellarity (talk) 01:00, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
  3. The Blue Rider 21:52, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
  4. Vileplume 🍋‍🟩 (talk) 13:59, 28 July 2024 (UTC)
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I must go punch that baby

Add Juvenile delinquency  5

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Passed 4–0. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 00:41, 18 July 2024 (UTC)

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Society reacts differently to people committing crimes when they are underage. It's an important area in Criminology  4 with influences from the family environment and peers, and differences in how they are tried (e.g. Juvenile court) and punished (e.g. juvenile homes rather than prisons) to reflect their different level of cognitive development.

Support
  1. As nominator. feminist🩸 (talk) 03:30, 12 March 2024 (UTC)
  2. Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 03:13, 13 March 2024 (UTC)
  3. SailorGardevoir (talk) 03:03, 14 April 2024 (UTC)
  4. Interstellarity (talk) 01:08, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
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Add Age of criminal responsibility  5

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Added 4–0. Makkool (talk) 17:44, 30 August 2024 (UTC)

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The age one must be in order to be capable of committing an offence. If one is too young, one is presumed to not be able to tell whether something should be wrong or not. An important concept comparable to, say, Age of consent  4.

Support
  1. As nominator. feminist🩸 (talk) 03:30, 12 March 2024 (UTC)
  2. SailorGardevoir (talk) 03:03, 14 April 2024 (UTC)
  3. Interstellarity (talk) 01:08, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
  4. per nom. starship.paint (RUN) 13:50, 26 July 2024 (UTC)
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Add Age of majority  5 and Minor (law)  5

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Both passed 4–0. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 00:49, 18 July 2024 (UTC)

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At what age do you become an adult? Different societies think differently on this, but it's usually somewhere between 18 and 21. An important concept which relates to whether you can drink, consent to sexual activity, and be liable for criminal acts (see nomination above).

Support
  1. As nominator. feminist🩸 (talk) 03:30, 12 March 2024 (UTC)
  2. Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 06:20, 13 March 2024 (UTC)
  3. SailorGardevoir (talk) 03:03, 14 April 2024 (UTC)
  4. Interstellarity (talk) 01:08, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
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Add Strike (attack)  5

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Added 6–0. Makkool (talk) 17:44, 30 August 2024 (UTC)

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Striking is the primary way Hand-to-hand combat  5 (nominated above) is conducted, but it should be listed separately because variations of strikes are also employed in Martial arts  3 and combat sports.

Support
  1. As nominator. feminist🩸 (talk) 08:27, 12 March 2024 (UTC)
  2. per nom. starship.paint 11:55, 13 March 2024 (UTC)
  3. SailorGardevoir (talk) 03:03, 14 April 2024 (UTC)
  4. Interstellarity (talk) 01:08, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
  5. Supporting. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 01:19, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
  6. Vileplume 🍋‍🟩 (talk) 14:08, 28 July 2024 (UTC)
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Add Punch (combat)  5

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Added 7–0. Makkool (talk) 17:44, 30 August 2024 (UTC)

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A strike (nominated above) conducted with the fist. It is used in most martial arts and combat sports, and is the only type of offensive technique allowed in Boxing  4.

Support
  1. As nominator. feminist🩸 (talk) 08:27, 12 March 2024 (UTC)
  2. Per nominator. The Blue Rider 10:38, 12 March 2024 (UTC)
  3. per nom. starship.paint 11:55, 13 March 2024 (UTC)
  4. SailorGardevoir (talk) 03:03, 14 April 2024 (UTC)
  5. Supporting. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 01:20, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
  6. Obvious Mathwriter2718 (talk) 13:54, 21 July 2024 (UTC)
  7. Vileplume 🍋‍🟩 (talk) 14:09, 28 July 2024 (UTC)
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Add Kick  5

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Added 7–0. Makkool (talk) 17:44, 30 August 2024 (UTC)

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A strike (nominated above) using the leg. Used in many forms of martial arts, as well as in self-defense applications.

Support
  1. As nominator. feminist🩸 (talk) 08:27, 12 March 2024 (UTC)
  2. Per nominator. The Blue Rider 10:38, 12 March 2024 (UTC)
  3. per nom. starship.paint 11:55, 13 March 2024 (UTC)
  4. SailorGardevoir (talk) 03:03, 14 April 2024 (UTC)
  5. Supporting. Very surprised this and punch weren't listed already. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 01:20, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
  6. Obvious Mathwriter2718 (talk) 13:55, 21 July 2024 (UTC)
  7. Vileplume 🍋‍🟩 (talk) 14:09, 28 July 2024 (UTC)
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Swap: Add The Rose of Versailles, remove Cardcaptor Sakura

PARTIAL PASS
Rose of Versailles not added 3–0, Cardcaptor Sakura removed 4-0. Makkool (talk) 19:12, 27 August 2024 (UTC)

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The former is decades older and has better claims of vitality, and they have sold a similar amount. Cardcaptor Sakura feels a somewhat questionable inclusion to me, seeming not quite popular/acclaimed/influential/famous enough to be preferred over something like Berserk (manga) or even Monster (manga) (which are scored into the top 10 of various manga sites by their users).

(I initially thought about replacing Cardcaptor with Berserk but eventually decided on a shoujo-shoujo swap, and I'm wondering a bit whether some of Berserk's vitality claims might be too inspired by the 2021 death of its author.)

Support
  1. As nom.--LaukkuTheGreit (Talk•Contribs) 18:16, 12 March 2024 (UTC)
  2. SailorGardevoir (talk) 22:26, 13 March 2024 (UTC)
  3. Interstellarity (talk) 12:39, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
  4. Support removal of Cardcaptor Sakura. I agree that it's a questionable inclusion, per nom. But I would think that Princess Knight would be a better replacement, if we would want to list another shoujo manga instead. Makkool (talk) 09:15, 11 August 2024 (UTC)
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No votes in a long time. If this proposal goes nowhere I may propose a swap with Berserk (manga) instead.--LaukkuTheGreit (Talk•Contribs) 09:26, 23 April 2024 (UTC)

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Add Warner Bros.  5 and Paramount Pictures  5

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Both passed 7–0. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 02:53, 10 August 2024 (UTC)

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We recently listed Namco  5 and Sega  5 as vital articles, and while those listings are definitely warranted, that places video games as having equal representation in Film, television, video game, and music production as film which are far more widespread and long-lasting than video games. To compensate, I propose the addition of the two American Major film studios that aren't already listed: Warner Bros.  5 and Paramount Pictures  5.

Support
  1. As nom. λ NegativeMP1 06:24, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
  2. --LaukkuTheGreit (Talk•Contribs) 11:47, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
  3. Support both as the guy who tried nominating Paramount Pictures.SailorGardevoir (talk) 08:19, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
  4. per nom. starship.paint 05:59, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
  5. TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 14:24, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
  6. Vileplume 🍋‍🟩 (talk) 12:54, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
  7. Supporting both. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 01:40, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
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Putting a note here I just now noticed the earlier nomination for Paramount Pictures to get added. Not going to change this since its got more than Paramount Pictures, though. λ NegativeMP1 18:10, 24 May 2024 (UTC)

  • Closed and archived that. starship.paint 05:59, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
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Remove Clavier-Übung III

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Removed 4-0. Makkool (talk) 17:08, 28 August 2024 (UTC)

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We got a lot of Bach on here. I think we can get rid of one or two works Like this one, which only has two interwikis.

Support
  1. SailorGardevoir (talk) 02:22, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
  2. λ NegativeMP1 04:34, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
  3. Makkool (talk) 13:18, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
  4. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 22:22, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
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  1. Not entirely related to the nomination, but why do we use "X should be removed because it only has Y interwikis!" as a removal rationale? I see the reason why we use it, since it theoretically suggests a lack of worldwide influence, but it also seems to have some overlap with the fact that, if I recall correctly, redlinks as vital articles is technically allowed. That rules existence seems to directly contradict these types of rationales by implying a subject can be important regardless of whether or not a Wikipedia has it. λ NegativeMP1 02:06, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
    I think that rule should probably be removed. SailorGardevoir (talk) 04:08, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
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Add Stayin' Alive

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Added 4-0, any proposals to swap it out with the soundtrack album didn't gain enough support and this has gone a month without any new votes. λ NegativeMP1 06:28, 9 August 2024 (UTC)

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I get that we already have Saturday Night Fever (soundtrack)  5, but this is easily the first disco song most people will name.

Support
  1. SailorGardevoir (talk) 07:39, 20 June 2024 (UTC)
  2. Support swap with Saturday Night Fever (soundtrack)  5. The song is far more vital than the soundtrack album. Makkool (talk) 08:51, 20 June 2024 (UTC)
    I have to disagree with the idea of swapping this out with the Saturday Night Fever soundtrack. The soundtrack is one of the best-selling albums of all time (we're talking an estimate of 40 million units worldwide), and both it and the film are responsible for bringing disco to the mainstream. SailorGardevoir (talk) 09:33, 20 June 2024 (UTC)
    We also list Saturday Night Fever  5 the movie. And three articles for any cultural work is too much in my opinion. I still think the soundtrack album is the least vital for these three. Makkool (talk) 11:11, 20 June 2024 (UTC)
  3. Support add, no opinion on swapping. λ NegativeMP1 16:55, 20 June 2024 (UTC)
  4. Support add, oppose swap per reasons above. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 01:55, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
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Remove WKRP in Cincinnati

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Removed 4-0. Makkool (talk) 12:41, 20 July 2024 (UTC)

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We have a lot of American TV shows, but it was extremely difficult to find one to remove. I ended up settling on this one. It only won two awards, had little influence on pop culture, and it only has seven interwikis. It seems to only be on the list due to high ratings received during its original run. This spot would be much better used by a show like Stargate, which is much more popular and influential, or a show like Soul Train which had a lasting impact on something.

Support
  1. As nom. QuicoleJR (talk) 14:05, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
    Note: I would be fine with a swap with Soul Train here, and I nominated Stargate below. QuicoleJR (talk) 14:15, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
  2. Support per nom. Would support a swap with Soul Train too. Makkool (talk) 14:10, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
  3. Swap with Soul Train. SailorGardevoir (talk) 21:04, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
  4. Iostn (talk) 00:35, 30 June 2024 (UTC)
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Add Social studies

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Added 5–0. Makkool (talk) 16:49, 26 July 2024 (UTC)

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Widely taught in schools. Interstellarity (talk) 22:53, 21 June 2024 (UTC)

Support
  1. Interstellarity (talk) 22:53, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
  2. How did we forget this! Makkool (talk) 06:08, 22 June 2024 (UTC)
  3. Iostn (talk) 00:35, 30 June 2024 (UTC)
  4. per nom. starship.paint (RUN) 10:35, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
  5. Supporting. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 01:58, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
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Add Bad (album)  5

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Added 4–1. Makkool (talk) 09:05, 22 July 2024 (UTC)

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It feels bizarre that we list at least six albums from The Beatles  3, but only one from Michael Jackson  3. He is the most important pop artist of all time, like how the Beatles is the most important rock band of all time, and so the two should be a bit more equal (especially since they're both V3). Also, pop could use a bit more representation in comparison to rock. So I'm nominating Bad, Jackson's second most popular and important album, to level it out a little bit more. Sure, its not as important as Thriller (album)  4, but this V5 and not V4 and I'd argue it's more important than listing Billie Jean  5 as an individual song, and its still influential.

On a side note, surely we could reduce albums from the Beatles to 3 or 4 to prevent over-representation right? Right now they're the modern artist/band with the most listed albums. Something separate to discuss.

Support
  1. As nom. λ NegativeMP1 04:59, 22 June 2024 (UTC)
  2. Also in favor of Off the Wall and "I Want You Back".SailorGardevoir (talk) 09:21, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
  3. Also support Off the Wall. Kevinishere15 (talk) 06:33, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
  4. Vileplume 🍋‍🟩 (talk) 00:48, 15 July 2024 (UTC)
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  1. Bad was popular, but "Off the Wall" was more influential. "writers have hailed it [Off the Wall] a landmark release of the disco era and, along with his next album Thriller (1982), among the greatest albums in history" Makkool (talk) 06:08, 22 June 2024 (UTC)
    I'll make a separate nomination for Off the Wall another date then, I feel like we can have both. λ NegativeMP1 06:12, 22 June 2024 (UTC)
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Add Papers, Please

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Not added 4–3. Makkool (talk) 18:30, 22 July 2024 (UTC)

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We currently have no listed examples of an Indie game  5 (not counting the recent proposal of adding Stardew Valley) or one of Video games as an art form. Papers, Please is a game that ticks both boxes. And if this helps, it is considered one the best video games ever made and is one of the more successful indie games in terms of sales numbers (5 million units, compared to the recently removed Undertale's 1 million). Sure, it's not as well known as some other indie games and could be considered too recent, but influence ≠ popularity here and I think its proven itself worthy of being included for the sake of representation.

Support
  1. As nom. λ NegativeMP1 01:40, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
  2. Weak support; one could count Minecraft as an indie game (and the most important one at that) prior to Microsoft's acquisition. Needless to say, there's room for 2-3 indie games at V5, and I would prefer this over Stardew Valley. Vileplume 🍋‍🟩 (talk) 02:47, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
  3. Support adding to represent video games as art Makkool (talk) 12:40, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
  4. Support. 49p (talk) 18:46, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
Oppose
  1. Popular, but more broadly, still too niche. Also not really convinced of its broader influence. Iostn (talk) 00:35, 30 June 2024 (UTC)
  2. If we need to list an example of an indie game, shouldn't it be something more heavily influential like Undertale, Terraria or Touhou Project? 3df (talk) 01:07, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
    First of all, this nomination is also based on representation of video games as an art form and not exclusively indie representation. I think we have room for one or two more indie games besides this one. Second of all, Undertale was removed in the past by an overwhelming consensus of 8-1, Terraria just sold a lot of units (though I wouldn't be opposed to it necessarily since it's the best selling indie game), and Touhou Projects main games in the series have only sold double digit units with little global impact and a cult community. A game that would actually be worthy of addition based on "influence" would be a game like Hotline Miami or Braid (video game), the former of which I may nominate some day. λ NegativeMP1 01:52, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
    I think Stardew Valley should be listed. I'm considering renominating it in the near future without the horrible swap choice I made. QuicoleJR (talk) 14:07, 15 July 2024 (UTC)
  3. I don't think we need special consideration to "Indie" games at all. An influential video game will stand out regardless of the developer. Stardew Valley for example is a very popular game that happens to have an indie developer. What makes it vital is its popularity, not who made it.GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 17:27, 15 July 2024 (UTC)
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BioShock  5 seems to be considered a example of games as an art form? Kevinishere15 (talk) 02:26, 23 June 2024 (UTC)

Papers, Please used to be listed but was a casualty when the specific games list was purged down from 135+ entries. It was an imperfect (but still mostly good) process, some entries may be worth re-adding. Currently undecided on this one.--LaukkuTheGreit (Talk•Contribs) 09:32, 23 June 2024 (UTC)

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Add Baby Shark

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Not added 4–3. Makkool (talk) 18:32, 22 July 2024 (UTC)

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One of the most well-known songs of all time, with over 14 billion views on YouTube. This song has had a large influence on popular culture, and nearly everybody has heard of it.

Support
  1. As nom. QuicoleJR (talk) 12:53, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
  2. It might be a bit reccent, but this is the most viewed YouTube video of all time, by a significant margin (over 6 billion views!). It would also basically represent the "new age" of childrens music that has only become more prominent with each passing year. Hell, it would represent childrens music in general on this list, since I believe the only childrens song we list at present is Twinkle, Twinkle, Little Star  5. λ NegativeMP1 02:16, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
  3. Weak support due to its cultural impact and popularity, but only if at least one of Old MacDonald or The Wheels on the Bus are added as well. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 02:12, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
  4. Unconditional support, a song we didn't grow up with isn't automatically less important than the ones we had decades ago. Media based on Baby Shark is currently redefining the whole early childhood entertainment industry and spawning a Korean megacharacter. There are certainly English-language nursery rhymes that should be listed as well, and Wikipedia as a whole is doing an unusually poor job with representing children's entertainment (that is a red link at the time of writing). 3df (talk) 01:07, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
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  1. I'd add "Old MacDonald Had a Farm" rather than this. Makkool (talk) 20:10, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
    @Makkool: I would support adding that song if you proposed it. Is there any reason you are opposed to adding Baby Shark? It is very well-known. QuicoleJR (talk) 22:00, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
    Mostly because we don't really have the space for it. We are over-quota in the Arts section. To me, "Baby Shark"'s popularity seems like a fad. Besides, it seems to be only well-known in the English speaking world. Don't know if it's sung in daycare centers and schools in other parts of the world. At least, the article doesn't mention any versions in other languages. Makkool (talk) 22:15, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
    I have proposed a removal from the same section below, just so you know. Does that help change your opinion? QuicoleJR (talk) 00:17, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
  2. Too recent to evaluate its long-term impact. The Blue Rider 14:48, 14 July 2024 (UTC)
  3. per @The Blue Rider:.GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 17:32, 15 July 2024 (UTC)
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Add Off the Wall  5

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Added 4-1. Makkool (talk) 09:05, 22 July 2024 (UTC)

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Per my earlier nomination of adding Bad (album)  5, for as impactful and important Michael Jackson  3 was to pop music, he should have more listed works than Thriller (album)  4 and one song from it (Billie Jean  5) since he has had way more influence beyond that album. Per the article for Off the Wall, "In retrospect, writers have hailed it a landmark release of the disco era and, along with his next album Thriller (1982), among the greatest albums in history." Add this one and Bad, and Michael Jackson and his works should be adequately covered here.

Support
  1. As nom. λ NegativeMP1 23:15, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
  2. Kevinishere15 (talk) 23:27, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
  3. This rather than Bad Makkool (talk) 21:09, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
  4. Vileplume 🍋‍🟩 (talk) 00:48, 15 July 2024 (UTC)
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  1. Arts is already over-quota, and I would definitely list Bad over this Iostn (talk) 23:55, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
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Add Single (music)  5

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Added 5-0. λ NegativeMP1 06:24, 9 August 2024 (UTC)

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Important part of modern music, we list several. Kevinishere15 (talk) 06:10, 14 July 2024 (UTC)

Support
  1. As nom. Kevinishere15 (talk) 06:10, 14 July 2024 (UTC)
  2. Wow, this concept isn't vital already? λ NegativeMP1 21:37, 14 July 2024 (UTC)
  3. Another overlooked one. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 23:32, 14 July 2024 (UTC)
  4. Definitely. QuicoleJR (talk) 14:05, 15 July 2024 (UTC)
  5. Mathwriter2718 (talk) 12:08, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
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Add Raincoat  5

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Added 4-0. Makkool (talk) 14:22, 28 July 2024 (UTC)

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Common type of clothing we don't list.

Support
  1. As nom. Makkool (talk) 00:45, 13 July 2024 (UTC)
  2. Another easy support. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 01:19, 13 July 2024 (UTC)
  3. per nom. starship.paint (RUN) 09:19, 21 July 2024 (UTC)
  4. Per nom Mathwriter2718 (talk) 13:52, 21 July 2024 (UTC)
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Remove United States trust law

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Removed 4-0 Makkool (talk) 09:15, 11 August 2024 (UTC)

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This section is nearly 50 articles over the quota, and with that in mind, I don't see why this should be listed. No other articles on the trust laws of specific countries, such as British or Italian trust law, are listed, and I don't see a reason to single out the American equivalent other than it being American. The article has zero interwikis.

Support
  1. As nom. QuicoleJR (talk) 23:48, 15 July 2024 (UTC)
  2. per nom. Makkool (talk) 08:39, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
  3. Per nominator. The Blue Rider 03:24, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
  4. Per nom Mathwriter2718 (talk) 12:27, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
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Add Trampoline  5

Added 4-0. Makkool (talk) 07:28, 3 August 2024 (UTC)

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Popular recreational activity. Maybe physcial exercise is the best place for it

Support
  1. As nom. Makkool (talk) 20:33, 18 July 2024 (UTC)
  2. This hasn't been added yet? JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 21:00, 18 July 2024 (UTC)
  3. Everyone knows what this is. QuicoleJR (talk) 22:58, 18 July 2024 (UTC)
  4. Per nom Mathwriter2718 (talk) 12:28, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
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Add Marlboro  5

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Passed 4–0. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 01:03, 17 August 2024 (UTC)

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The most common brand of cigarettes, and a well-recognized brand across the world. 43 interwikis, top-importance in WikiProject Brands.

Support
  1. As nominator. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 21:31, 26 July 2024 (UTC)
  2. Per nom., we lack many vital everyday brands Makkool (talk) 21:36, 26 July 2024 (UTC)
  3. Easy support; we could also add Camel (cigarette) or a women's cigarrette like Virginia Slims. The Blue Rider 00:34, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
    I was thinking maybe adding Camel as well (especially because it's also top-importance in WikiProject Brands), but I feel like it hasn't been as popular since the 1970s and 1980s (besides the introduction of Joe Camel, obviously). It's still popular and a viable candidate though. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 02:40, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
  4. per nom. starship.paint (RUN) 00:54, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
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Add Systems management

NO CONSENSUS
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Can be under Management  3 at Wikipedia:Vital articles/Level/5/Society and social sciences/Politics and economics, can be under Technology

Support
  1. As nominator. feminist🩸 (talk) 15:03, 28 February 2024 (UTC)
  2. Interstellarity (talk) 01:00, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
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Remove New York Public Library  5 and Boston Public Library

BPL passed, NPL failed. The Blue Rider 02:11, 4 September 2024 (UTC)

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I don't think we need any libraries that are not national libraries at this level. I think Library of Congress is sufficient for US libraries. Interstellarity (talk) 01:13, 12 March 2024 (UTC)

Support NYPL
  1. Interstellarity (talk) 01:13, 12 March 2024 (UTC)
Support BPL
  1. Interstellarity (talk) 01:13, 12 March 2024 (UTC)
  2. Only the fifth largest library in the US. Possible swap for Shanghai Library  5? Vileplume 🍋‍🟩 (talk) 01:46, 12 March 2024 (UTC)
  3. Quite surprised this was listed tbh. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 01:11, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
  4. Makkool (talk) 09:15, 11 August 2024 (UTC)
Oppose NYPL
  1. Strong oppose. We should have two American libraries, and it is the world’s fourth largest at 55 million catalogued items. Vileplume 🍋‍🟩 (talk) 01:46, 12 March 2024 (UTC)
    @OhnoitsvileplumeXD: Different sources have different criteria regarding how big libraries are. NYPL is the second biggest by catalog size, but BPL is the largest by volumes held. I think this is something we should consider when deciding what to remove an add. Interstellarity (talk) 13:02, 12 March 2024 (UTC)
    @Interstellarity: I was just going off List of largest libraries, where only the catalogue size is listed. I still see the NYPL as more vital, as it has double the interwikis and triple the daily views. Vileplume 🍋‍🟩 (talk) 13:52, 12 March 2024 (UTC)
    @OhnoitsvileplumeXD: I found these articles at here and here. One article has the NYPL as larger and the other has BPL as larger, but if you still think NYPL is more vital, I’ll respect your opinion on that. Interstellarity (talk) 14:43, 12 March 2024 (UTC)
  2. Not even mentioning its sheer size (fourth largest library in the world), amount of visitors, and iconicness, it's also a historic landmark. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 01:12, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
  3. Per above Makkool (talk) 09:15, 11 August 2024 (UTC)
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Add Fan wiki

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This isn't getting added. Kevinishere15 (talk) 08:29, 2 September 2024 (UTC)

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Fan wikis are some of the most popular websites in the world. Should be under Internet medium. voorts (talk/contributions) 02:48, 14 August 2024 (UTC)

Support
  1. as nom. voorts (talk/contributions) 02:48, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
Oppose
  1. When nobody made an article for this up until now (and the nominator themselves made the article) and it has no interwikis, I highly doubt that this vital. Sure, widespread, but vital? No. λ NegativeMP1 03:04, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
  2. Too specific variant of Wiki  5.--LaukkuTheGreit (Talk•Contribs) 06:23, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
  3. Wiki  5 is only VA5 and this does not seem like an important enough subtopic to overcome that. QuicoleJR (talk) 15:04, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
  4. Per above. The page has only existed for a few days. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 00:32, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
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Add Deutsche Mark

NO CONSENSUS
The Blue Rider 02:30, 4 September 2024 (UTC)

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The currency that Euro  4 was largely bassed on. It was the official currency of West Germany  5 and Germany  3

Support
  1. As nominator. The Blue Rider 13:55, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
Oppose
  1. I'm not convinced any individual historic currencies are vital. Gold standard  5 or Special drawing rights  5 should be added, but not Deutsche mark. feminist🩸 (talk) 14:35, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
  2. Doesn't seem vital even historically Makkool (talk) 09:15, 11 August 2024 (UTC)
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Add Rumor  5 and Gossip  5

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Both added 4-0. Makkool (talk) 17:39, 3 September 2024 (UTC)

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Two major forms of Communication  2.

Support
  1. As nominator. feminist🩸 (talk) 14:33, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
  2. V5, sure. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 22:30, 12 April 2024 (UTC)
  3. Interstellarity (talk) 01:08, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
  4. Supporting both. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 01:31, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
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Add Thor (Marvel Comics)  5

Not needed. Thor passed V5 in January 2024, but was mistakenly added to V4 instead of V5. I will fix this immediately. starship.paint (RUN) 04:45, 4 September 2024 (UTC)

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A level 4 VA missing from the level 5 list. IDBLWK (talk) 07:06, 3 September 2024 (UTC)

Support
  1. IDBLWK (talk) 07:08, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
  2. Per nom. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 18:37, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
  3. Wzrd517 (talk) 22:38, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
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Add Income  5

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A fundamental concept in accounting and finance. It doesn't make sense for us to list Income statement  5, Fixed income  5 and Income tax  4 without listing the base concept. Place this under Wikipedia:Vital articles/Level/5/Society and social sciences/Politics and economics#Banking and financing, or alternatively under the Accounting subsection.

Support
  1. feminist🩸 (talk) 06:57, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
  2. V4? JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 16:00, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
  3. per nom Aurangzebra (talk) 20:54, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
  4. per nom. starship.paint (RUN) 04:48, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
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Add Gurdwara  5

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Added 4-0. Makkool (talk) 08:15, 14 September 2024 (UTC)

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Places of worship in Sikhism  3.

Support
  1. As nominator. To religion. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 22:42, 23 August 2024 (UTC)
  2. Iostn (talk) 13:57, 25 August 2024 (UTC)
  3. per nom Aurangzebra (talk) 20:47, 25 August 2024 (UTC)
  4. Makkool (talk) 13:11, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
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Add Social relation  5

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Added 4-0. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 02:58, 14 September 2024 (UTC)

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Social interaction redirects here. Different social interactions combine to form a Social network  4. I think it's an important concept in Social studies.

Support
  1. As nominator. feminist🩸 (talk) 04:31, 29 February 2024 (UTC)
  2. Obviously. QuicoleJR (talk) 13:24, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
  3. Interstellarity (talk) 01:00, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
  4. Per nominator. The Blue Rider 20:41, 18 July 2024 (UTC)
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Add Technical support  5

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Added 4-0. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 02:12, 14 September 2024 (UTC)

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A major component of Customer service  5 (nominated above) in relation to products and services which consumers do not know how to use.

Support
  1. As nominator. feminist🩸 (talk) 08:07, 4 March 2024 (UTC)
  2. Interstellarity (talk) 01:00, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
  3. Supporting. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 01:00, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
  4. per nom Aurangzebra (talk) 21:06, 18 August 2024 (UTC)
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Add Hanna-Barbera  5

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Although we do have William Hanna  5 and Joseph Barbera  5 on here along with some shows, I still think we need the company. They’re responsible for a large chunk of American TV animation (and for some periods, most of it).

Support
  1. SailorGardevoir (talk) 08:23, 6 March 2024 (UTC)
  2. Interstellarity (talk) 01:00, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
  3. Supporting. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 01:04, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
  4. 49p (talk) 05:10, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
  5. IDBLWK (talk) 07:04, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
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Add Reinsurance  5

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A major part of the insurance industry. Place under Insurance.

Support
  1. As nominator. feminist🩸 (talk) 08:06, 1 May 2024 (UTC)
  2. Still hard to believe Warranty  5 wasn't even V5 a year ago. Vileplume 🍋‍🟩 (talk) 23:26, 1 May 2024 (UTC)
  3. Major branch of financial services with massive companies. Aszx5000 (talk) 19:26, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
  4. Interstellarity (talk) 01:08, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
  5. per nom Aurangzebra (talk) 05:08, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
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Add Cash flow  5

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A very important concept in accounting and finance. Place under Wikipedia:Vital articles/Level/5/Society and social sciences/Politics and economics#Accounting. It doesn't make sense for us to list Cash flow statement  5 but not Cash flow  5.

Support
  1. As nominator. feminist🩸 (talk) 02:34, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
  2. TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 14:32, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
  3. Interstellarity (talk) 12:39, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
  4. Sure. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 03:50, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
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Swap Cost-of-production theory of value with Value (economics)  5

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Swapped 4-0. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 02:35, 14 September 2024 (UTC)

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The former derives from the Labour theory of value, a more foundational theory, employed in Classical economics  5 and Political economy  5, not to mention in Marxism  4. The latter provides an overview of theories of value.

Support
  1. As nominator. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 07:52, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
  2. per nom. starship.paint 15:10, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
  3. Interstellarity (talk) 12:39, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
  4. Obvious. Mathwriter2718 (talk) 12:15, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
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Add Project  5

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An essential concept in the task management of organizations. The Vital Articles project is an example of this.

Support
  1. As nominator. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 07:52, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
  2. per nom. starship.paint 15:10, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
  3. Wikipedia itself is one big project. QuicoleJR (talk) 22:03, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
  4. Interstellarity (talk) 12:39, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
  5. Supporting. How wasn't this already added? JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 01:46, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
  6. Important concept Mathwriter2718 (talk) 12:13, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
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Add Business administration  5

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The article could use some work but this is one of the most popular college majors globally. Paraphrasing from the Master of Business Administration  5 article, areas of business administration include accounting, applied statistics, human resources, business communication, business ethics, business law, strategic management, business strategy, finance, managerial economics, management, entrepreneurship, marketing, supply-chain management, and operations management in a manner most relevant to management analysis and strategy.

Support
  1. As nominator. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 19:50, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
  2. Per nom. Aszx5000 (talk) 16:41, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
  3. Interstellarity (talk) 12:39, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
  4. Per nominator. The Blue Rider 22:39, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
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Remove Scarborough Fair (ballad)  5

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Seems to have only been popular in England, and even then it does not seem that popular or influential. There are plenty of songs that I would rather list, such as Baby Shark (nominated above), and the section is a bit above the quota.

Support
  1. As nom. QuicoleJR (talk) 23:30, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
Oppose
  1. Scarborough Fair is one of the most well-known examples of English folk music, and I'm not convinced on the argument of traditional folk songs being non-vital by being most influential in the place/culture where they originated, since that's the case for neaely all of them. Iostn (talk) 23:55, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
  2. per above Makkool (talk) 21:09, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
  3. feminist🩸 (talk) 01:53, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
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More business and economics concepts

Add Market capitalization  5

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“Total value of a publicly traded company's outstanding common shares owned by stockholders”. There are complementary metrics, but this is the most employed measure of how "valuable" a company is. Stock indices are often weighted by market cap.

Support
  1. As nominator. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 00:50, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
  2. Iostn (talk) 23:55, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
  3. 3df (talk) 01:07, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
  4. Important concept Mathwriter2718 (talk) 12:11, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
  5. per nom Aurangzebra (talk) 21:22, 18 August 2024 (UTC)
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Add Leverage (finance)  5

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The use of borrowed capital for an investment, expecting the profits made to be greater than the interest payable. Part of the lifeblood of the financial industry.

Support
  1. As nominator. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 00:50, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
  2. Iostn (talk) 23:55, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
  3. Important concept Mathwriter2718 (talk) 12:11, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
  4. per nom Aurangzebra (talk) 21:22, 18 August 2024 (UTC)
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Add Inventory  5

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The goods and materials a business holds for resale. Another essential concept in business.

Support
  1. As nominator. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 00:50, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
  2. Easy support. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 02:14, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
  3. 3df (talk) 01:07, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
  4. per nom. starship.paint (RUN) 13:34, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
  5. Important concept Mathwriter2718 (talk) 12:11, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
  6. per nom Aurangzebra (talk) 21:22, 18 August 2024 (UTC)
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Add Remote work  5

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Despite the pandemic recovery, an increasing proportion of people work this way now, or at least hybridly.

Support
  1. As nominator. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 00:50, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
  2. Iostn (talk) 23:55, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
  3. Supporting. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 02:15, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
  4. per nom. starship.paint (RUN) 13:34, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
  5. per nom Aurangzebra (talk) 21:22, 18 August 2024 (UTC)
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Add Depreciation  5

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The allocation of the cost of a tangible asset over its life. An important concept in accounting, the insurance industry, and actuarial science.

Support
  1. As nominator. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 00:50, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
  2. Clearly an oversight by us. starship.paint (RUN) 13:34, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
  3. Per nominator. The Blue Rider 22:15, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
  4. Important concept Mathwriter2718 (talk) 12:11, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
  5. per nom Aurangzebra (talk) 21:22, 18 August 2024 (UTC)
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Add Jurisdiction  5

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Major concept in Law.

Support
  1. As nominator. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 00:50, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
  2. Basic concept Iostn (talk) 23:55, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
  3. Easy support. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 02:16, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
  4. Clearly an oversight by us. starship.paint (RUN) 13:34, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
  5. Important concept Mathwriter2718 (talk) 12:11, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
  6. per nom Aurangzebra (talk) 21:22, 18 August 2024 (UTC)
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Add Purchasing power parity  5

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This has a whopping 88 interwikis, and ties together several ideas of economics, such as cost of living, exchange rates, GDP, transaction costs, price levels, etc.

Support
  1. As nominator. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 19:50, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
  2. Iostn (talk) 23:55, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
  3. Clearly an oversight by us. starship.paint (RUN) 13:34, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
  4. Important concept Mathwriter2718 (talk) 12:11, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
  5. per nom Aurangzebra (talk) 21:22, 18 August 2024 (UTC)
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Add either Paris Saint-Germain F.C. OR Olympique de Marseille

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Not needed anymore, as PSG has been restored (for now), and I only wanted to add one of PSG or Marseille. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 18:19, 31 August 2024 (UTC)

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I feel like we should have one association football team from France listed, and I feel like these are the only two options. PSG used to be a VA, but it was removed without any notice on the talk page (from what I can find, but viewing past versions of this page, I don't think it was ever created). Yes, PSG suffers from recency bias, but not all of their success has came since 2011, they still won a respectable 17 French trophies prior to the Qatar takeover (including 2 Ligue 1 titles and a UEFA Cup Winners' Cup). PSG has more trophies and Ligue 1 titles than Marseille nowadays, but Marseille does have their Champions League to their name (although PSG has also made a UCL final). So, I'm split on which one of these two to add, which is why I'm proposing both to see what the community thinks. Personally, I would rather add PSG, although as mentioned above, they do suffer a little from recency bias. I think if this and my above Arsenal-Inter Milan swap go through, the association football section would be pretty much complete (although I would still add S.L. Benfica and possibly Celtic F.C.).

Please, if you do decide to support, try and only support one of the two (although I won't care if you decide to support both), as I only want to add one of these. I just don't know which the community would prefer.

Support PSG
  1. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 04:25, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
  2. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 22:28, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
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PSG is now a moot point - I discovered that PSG was removed without a vote and I have restored it. Aurangzebra (talk) 00:06, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
Thank you! I didn't realize that we didn't need a vote to restore PSG. Since I only wanted to add one of the two, I'm going to close this discussion now, as it's not needed. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 18:19, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
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Remove Russian Bandy Super League

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Removed 4-0. Makkool (talk) 17:30, 3 September 2024 (UTC)

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Bandy  5 was recently demoted to V5 from V4. I'm thinking we wouldn't consider a Russian bandy league vital at this level.

Support
  1. As nom. Makkool (talk) 13:34, 4 August 2024 (UTC)
  2. No compelling claims of vitality, and poor stats (~18 daily pageviews, 7 interwikis).--LaukkuTheGreit (Talk•Contribs) 13:41, 4 August 2024 (UTC)
  3. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 22:27, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
  4. Iostn (talk) 13:57, 25 August 2024 (UTC)
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Remove Bōsōzoku

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A stretch to list them under organized crime. We could move them to subcultures but their numbers have dwindled in past decades.

Support
  1. As nominator. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 07:52, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
  2. per nom. starship.paint 07:51, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
  3. Per nom. Aszx5000 (talk) 22:37, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
  4. Makkool (talk) 09:15, 11 August 2024 (UTC)
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  1. I don't think being smaller numbers in than they used to be is necessarily a good reason for removal. Iostn (talk) 07:13, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
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Add Never Gonna Give You Up  5

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Added 4-1. Also soon to make a separate proposal for adding Practical joke. λ NegativeMP1 06:30, 9 August 2024 (UTC)

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The song is not only vital for being recognizable, but also for being an example of an Internet meme  5. Vileplume 🍋‍🟩 (talk) 01:47, 27 June 2024 (UTC)

Support
  1. As nom. Vileplume 🍋‍🟩 (talk) 01:47, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
  2. I feel like you could argue that this is the most widely recognizable pop song not on this list or in an album on this list, so even taking out the fact it'd primarily represent internet meme culture this song still makes a case for itself. As for whether or not Rickrolling itself is more vital, I'm personally choosing the song since I believe its popular enough even not as a meme, but I'm also not opposed to having Rickrolling itself only. λ NegativeMP1 02:22, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
  3. Support. I'd argue this one of the 3 most popular modern music songs of all time (alongside Bohemian Rhapsody  5 and We Will Rock You, with Billie Jean  5 extremely close behind). JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 02:07, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
  4. SailorGardevoir (talk) 03:31, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
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  1. Support Rickrolling instead. Makkool (talk) 21:09, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
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@NegativeMP1: You may be interested in this proposal. Vileplume 🍋‍🟩 (talk) 01:47, 27 June 2024 (UTC)

Would Rickrolling make more sense? Is the meme more vital than the actual song? Makkool (talk) 08:52, 27 June 2024 (UTC)

I think Rickrolling makes more sense but I don't feel strongly about it. Mathwriter2718 (talk) 13:49, 21 July 2024 (UTC)

I think Practical joke  5 should be added first instead of Rickrolling.--LaukkuTheGreit (Talk•Contribs) 16:06, 21 July 2024 (UTC)
I was more thinking of it as a subtopic of Internet meme  5. Practical joke would be a good idea to add too. Makkool (talk) 08:53, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
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Add Profession  5

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Added 4-0. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 02:12, 14 September 2024 (UTC)

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Important term distinct from trade, which we already list (a redirect to Craft  5). List this in Business, although it's a subject in sociology as well (as in, which job qualifies as a profession).

Support
  1. As nom. Makkool (talk) 21:29, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
  2. Supporting. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 21:55, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
  3. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 22:23, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
  4. feminist🩸 (talk) 03:08, 29 August 2024 (UTC)
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Add Practical joke  5

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Also known as a "prank". I don't really think this needs much of an explanation, this is an extremely widespread type of Joke  4 that I'm sure everyone here has experienced (or maybe even executed) more than a handful of times in their life. Would go under Joke's listing in the Comedy section of Arts.

Support
  1. As nom. λ NegativeMP1 06:36, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
  2. Thought about nominating this myself but forgot.--LaukkuTheGreit (Talk•Contribs) 07:08, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
  3. Joke warrants a subtopic. Makkool (talk) 16:10, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
  4. Well known concept. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 03:04, 10 August 2024 (UTC)
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Economy and law by country removals

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All removed 4-0, except Econ. Switzerland & Argentina 2-3 and Econ. South Africa & Law of Mexico 3-2. Makkool (talk) 16:31, 5 September 2024 (UTC)

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Currently, we have 24 "Politics by country," 34 "Economy by country," and 37 "Law by country" articles. I won’t go into the details of each entry, but I want to consider whether some of these articles truly deserve VA5 status. For example, are there specific elements of the Law of the Netherlands or the Law of Romania that are essential for an average, educated person? Should we focus on countries in greater flux, like Economy of Argentina  5, rather than larger economies like Poland or Taiwan? These proposals aim to reduce to 30 the number of "Law" and "Economy by country" entries. If you disagree, let me know if it’s the specific countries selected or if the list is already appropriately sized and doesn’t need significant cuts.

Support
  1. As nominator. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 19:20, 18 August 2024 (UTC)
  2. Makkool (talk) 17:12, 19 August 2024 (UTC)
  3. Support removal of all but Economy of Switzerland  5 and Economy of Argentina  5. Argentina is a classic case of economic mismanagement, and the economy of Argentina is an enduring subject in macroeconomic studies. Switzerland has a unique economy within Europe and arguably the world with its high level of economic development and reputation of neutrality and banking secrecy. Ireland is also notable as a global tax haven but its economy is otherwise overshadowed by Switzerland in notability – it's smaller, less rich, and lacks homegrown economic powerhouses when Switzerland has Nestlé, Roche, Richemont, etc. Between Argentina and Switzerland I'd keep Argentina first, but I think both are notable enough for the list. feminist🩸 (talk) 04:17, 23 August 2024 (UTC)
  4. Support except for economies of Switzerland, Argentina, South Africa and law of Mexico (see below) Iostn (talk) 13:57, 25 August 2024 (UTC)
Oppose
  1. Oppose removal of Economy of Switzerland  5 and Economy of Argentina  5. See my comment above. feminist🩸 (talk) 04:17, 23 August 2024 (UTC)
  2. Oppose removal of Econ of Switzerland and Argentina per Feminist, and oppose removal of Economy of South Africa  5, since it was for a long time the most developed/largest sub-Saharan African economy, and even though its since been surpassed it still remains important to Africa. Also oppose removal of Law of Mexico  5 due to its high population (120 million+). Iostn (talk) 13:57, 25 August 2024 (UTC)
  3. Same opinion as Iost. Kevinishere15 (talk) 05:17, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
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  • For the econ removals, I used List of countries by GDP (PPP) for reference. The proposed economies are the lowest ranked among the ones listed. The Law by country articles have 5 or fewer interwikis.
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Add Diary of a Wimpy Kid  5

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There was some support for adding this in the vote to include its author Jeff Kinney. It's the fourth best-selling book series of all time, and we already list many of the other highest-selling series.

Support
  1. As nom. Makkool (talk) 18:47, 24 August 2024 (UTC)
  2. Iostn (talk) 13:57, 25 August 2024 (UTC)
  3. 49p (talk) 19:49, 25 August 2024 (UTC)
  4. per nom Aurangzebra (talk) 20:46, 25 August 2024 (UTC)
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Add Indigenous education

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Surprised this hasn't already been made vital. What is supposed to be an article regarding a worldwide view of education related to indigenous topics, is in dire need of improvement and recognition; the topic is becoming increasingly relevant as indigenous history becomes more widely taught.

Support
  1. as nom. B3251 (talk) 01:27, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
  2. I think this is a rare case where a subject being "niche" is why it should be listed. Many people didn't teach it (if not fought to destroy the mere concept of people learning about those people) for centuries and that's why it's "niche", which isn't a good thing. The subject is objectively important enough for V5. λ NegativeMP1 13:13, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
    Whether or not it is a bad thing being niche, it doesn't invalidate that it has close to zero impact on society. The Blue Rider 13:32, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
    The teaching of indigenous history/topics/culture absolutely has an impact on society as it is essential to the preservation of knowledge about [[Indigenous peoples]] worldwide. Retaining the understanding of human culture and history throughout most of the world prior to colonization is one of the largest reasons why we know about human culture in parts of the world that eventually were colonized today. Indigenous topics are quite underrepresented in Vital Articles. B3251(talk) 20:11, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
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  1. Niche type of education. The Blue Rider 01:02, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
  2. Per above. Makkool (talk) 17:45, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
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Add Electoral fraud  5

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Added 6-0. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 02:58, 14 September 2024 (UTC)

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A common feature of authoritarian regimes. Even accusations of fraud can have wide-ranging political, social, and legal effects.

Support
  1. As nominator. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 19:50, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
  2. per nom. starship.paint. 02:17, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
  3. Per nom. Aszx5000 (talk) 16:40, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
  4. As an American, I can confirm the second sentence of the nomination. QuicoleJR (talk) 17:39, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
  5. Supporting. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 01:51, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
  6. Per nom Mathwriter2718 (talk) 12:17, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
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Remove Escalation clause, Exit interview, Closed shop and Deskilling

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Removed 4-0. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 02:33, 14 September 2024 (UTC)

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Minor concepts in employment and business. The latter may be swapped for Technological unemployment, which is more frequently used.

Support
  1. As nominator. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 20:37, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
  2. Makkool (talk) 18:14, 17 August 2024 (UTC)
  3. --LaukkuTheGreit (Talk•Contribs) 07:07, 19 August 2024 (UTC)
  4. per nom. starship.paint (RUN) 05:53, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
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Remove International Defensive Pistol Association

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Removed 5-0. Makkool (talk) 17:30, 3 September 2024 (UTC)

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We already have three shooting sports authorities: International Shooting Sport Federation  5 and International Practical Shooting Confederation  5. This one has only 1 interwiki.

Support
  1. As nominator. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 20:37, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
  2. Per nom. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 21:08, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
  3. We can probably do without the others too. Kevinishere15 (talk) 09:20, 17 August 2024 (UTC)
  4. Makkool (talk) 18:14, 17 August 2024 (UTC)
  5. per nom. Would also vote to remove International Practical Shooting Confederation if proposed but probably not International Shooting Sport Federation since it governs the Olympics, World Championships, and World Cups of the major shooting sports. Aurangzebra (talk) 21:05, 18 August 2024 (UTC)
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Add T-Series (company)  5

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If we are going to have the founder, Gulshan Kumar  5 (who was unsucessfully removed), we probably should at least have the company. We really need another record label either way, cause EMI  5 is the only one listed. (other than parent companies being listed: e.g. Sony Music is not listed but Sony  5 is). Add under Film, television, video game, and music production

Support
  1. 49p (talk) 04:49, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
  2. Largest record label in the most populated country? As well as the formerly most-subscribed YouTube channel? Definitely vital. λ NegativeMP1 21:04, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
  3. Especially since Hanna-Barbera is going to be added, both are at least equally vital. Makkool (talk) 13:11, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
  4. Definitely. Also support Sony Music. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 18:28, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
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Remove Gravity Falls

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It had some minor industry impact (primarily on other Disney Channel shows), but other than that and a small cult following, this isn't really a "vital" series and it's barely a decade old, meaning its on the verge of recency bias. And while I'd be fine with a recent listing if it's very clearly influential, this doesn't meet that mark. Most of the "legacy" section, beyond what I mentioned, is just talking about how the show got referenced in popular culture. It's definitely not one of the top 200-300 most important TV shows of all time, hell I wouldn't even say its one of the top 5 most important Disney Channel shows (Phineas and Ferb? Jessie? High School Musical???). And there's not really a Disney Channel "representation" argument to be made here when we already list Hannah Montana  5, and I'm saying this as someone who grew up watching this show and countless other Disney Channel works. With that being said, I might support a swap with some other show if a decent argument could be made, but I still think just Hannah Montana is enough. (Update: I think Bluey (2018 TV series)  5 also counts as Disney, but at least that's listed on the lines of representation and I wouldn't remove it. So technically, there's two Disney Channel series listed already.)

Support
  1. As nom. λ NegativeMP1 04:07, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
  2. Per nom. Definitely has a high reception. I would argue that it is influential to Gen-Z, but it's not much to argue when we got Hannah Montana  5 as you said. 49p (talk) 05:10, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
  3. Makkool (talk) 13:11, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
  4. per nom. starship.paint (RUN) 12:25, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
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Remove Chinese Super League and Egyptian Premier League  5

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Chinese Super League removed 4-0. Egyptian Premier League not removed 2-1. Makkool (talk) 16:31, 5 September 2024 (UTC)

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We underrepresent China in many ways, but we don’t need to list every major country’s football league. Considering we don’t list Egyptian or Chinese footballers.

Support
  1. As nominator. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 20:37, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
  2. Makkool (talk) 18:14, 17 August 2024 (UTC)
  3. Support remove Chinese Super League. Had a surge in relevance in the mid 2010s with big splashy signings but a continued legacy is yet to be seen. Aurangzebra (talk) 16:54, 18 August 2024 (UTC)
  4. Support removing China and Nigeria per Aurangzebra. feminist🩸 (talk) 06:49, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
Oppose
  1. Oppose removing Egyptian Premier League. It is arguably the most important league in all of Africa (it rotates between Morocco and Egypt). Their big two clubs, Zamalek SC (41 interwikis) and Al Ahly (54 interwikis), have extremely significant continental importance. The Egyptian Premier League is also deeply intertwined with Egypt's history and is responsible for borderline VA5 events such as the Port Said Stadium riot.
Discuss
  1. I would support removing Nigeria Professional Football League instead of the Egyptian Premier League. How this was ever included, I have no clue. You can see in the article's section under Association Ranking for the 2024-25 CAF club season, it's not even in the top 10 best African leagues (note that Egypt is first). Its most successful club, Enyimba, only has 29 interwikis and has only won the African Champions League twice. Meanwhile, the top 2 most winningest clubs in all of Africa are both Egyptian. Aurangzebra (talk) 16:54, 18 August 2024 (UTC)
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Remove Jersey Shore (TV series)

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Popular during its airing with millennials? Sure. Is it really an influential TV-Show? Not really. There are better reality TV-shows are added, with some already listed like The Bachelor (American TV series)  5, and Jersey Shore is not the best pick for one. It's only listed probably due to being really popular for its time, not much happened after that.

Support
  1. 49p (talk) 04:58, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
  2. Makkool (talk) 13:11, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
  3. per nom. Seems not enduring. starship.paint (RUN) 05:53, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
  4. Wzrd517 (talk) 02:10, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
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Remove List of glassware and List of raw fish dishes

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Sparse list articles in the Everyday Life section.

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  1. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 00:18, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
  2. Makkool (talk) 13:11, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
  3. feminist🩸 (talk) 03:07, 29 August 2024 (UTC)
  4. per nom. starship.paint (RUN) 05:53, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
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