Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Board and table games/Notability
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Notable Games Awards
[edit]- Section moved from Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Board_and_table_games/Sources#Notable_Games_Awards.
As for that section, this is not related to reliability. It may be relevant for discussion of which games awards confer notability, but for that we probably should just have a discussion at main Batg talk page, and/or have a separate page (Wikipedia:WikiProject Board and table games/Notability). --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 08:51, 20 July 2022 (UTC)
- I suppose these with their own WP articles are notable. First of all, let's talk about the poor choices. I am fairly confident that this niche award isn't notable (it also can't be opened). As Meeple's Choice Award lacks a WP page (see BGG for short description).
- Contrary to this, the SdJ is certainly notable I think and is probably the most well-known award! I wold even argue that winning that award counts towards automatic notability and warrants an article. Its winners (such as Cascadia the new (and very popular) SdJ winner of 2022) have two paragraphs, though others (such as [https://www.spiel-des-jahres.de/en/games/arche-nova-ark-nova/ this are shorter. But given the award's notable impact, for me any nomination or recommendation probably counts towards one ref for GNG. This could be written at Wikipedia:Notability (board games) but for this we need a very formal discussion , and maybe an RfC?
- I believe that the Deutscher Spiele Preis is very famous, though, its WP article doesn't seem that notable, only relying on onre ref, I think I might have to search for more, otherwise this might be a candidate for AfD. Same with Jeu de l'année and Essen Feather, but I am sure more refs can be found. As d'Or has better, but stilll borderline notability. So IMO I am unsure on whether these are notable. Mensa Select is probably notable enough, to be included but whether it counts towards GNG is of question. Many thanks! VickKiang (talk) 08:44, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
- Mensa Select is just a redirect to the list of recipients, hmmm. Anyway, I concur with your analysis. For SdJ, I'd say nominations could count for establishing notability (like for the Oscars... :P), for others, just winning. That said, GNG requires multiple sources that meet SIGCOV, which for me generally means 2+ reviews in reliable sources. Would a SdJ nom or winning something count as one source? Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 08:52, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
- @Piotrus: Apparently, every SdJ (except for Cascadia (board game), which I would probably create later) have a WP article. Some articles (1, 2) doesn't have much any other refs except for the SdJ, but are notable and aren't nominated for AfD (but I agree that these two are notable). Notability guidelines for films and books have an unique criteria based on that they have won a major award. Should the SdJ count towards one ref for GNG, or would it be enough to demonstrate an article's notability if te game has won it (again, that's very few, only less than 40 games). Other awards with their own WP article that are notable (without concerns or tags) are IMO fine to count towards one ref for GNG. Those thst have not, or are listed in List of Game of the Year awards (board games) without an article, are IMO insufficient to count towards one ref for GNG. And multiple probably means 2 or more, though, some awards aren't especially notable (as their WP articles doesn't have enough refs to show GNG) but are still well known, maybe they could count towards half? Many thanks! VickKiang (talk) 09:03, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
- Would be good to look at some test cases. Is there any board game whose notability would rest only on some awards, with no reliable reviews? Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 09:30, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
- @Piotrus: Certainly. Not sure there's any applicable for SdJ or KdJ, but the Kinderspiel des Jahres winners are niche without much reviews, but I think winning an SdJ show notability. Many thanks! VickKiang (talk) 08:35, 22 July 2022 (UTC) Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 08:25, 25 July 2022 (UTC)
- Would be good to look at some test cases. Is there any board game whose notability would rest only on some awards, with no reliable reviews? Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 09:30, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
- @Piotrus: Apparently, every SdJ (except for Cascadia (board game), which I would probably create later) have a WP article. Some articles (1, 2) doesn't have much any other refs except for the SdJ, but are notable and aren't nominated for AfD (but I agree that these two are notable). Notability guidelines for films and books have an unique criteria based on that they have won a major award. Should the SdJ count towards one ref for GNG, or would it be enough to demonstrate an article's notability if te game has won it (again, that's very few, only less than 40 games). Other awards with their own WP article that are notable (without concerns or tags) are IMO fine to count towards one ref for GNG. Those thst have not, or are listed in List of Game of the Year awards (board games) without an article, are IMO insufficient to count towards one ref for GNG. And multiple probably means 2 or more, though, some awards aren't especially notable (as their WP articles doesn't have enough refs to show GNG) but are still well known, maybe they could count towards half? Many thanks! VickKiang (talk) 09:03, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
- Mensa Select is just a redirect to the list of recipients, hmmm. Anyway, I concur with your analysis. For SdJ, I'd say nominations could count for establishing notability (like for the Oscars... :P), for others, just winning. That said, GNG requires multiple sources that meet SIGCOV, which for me generally means 2+ reviews in reliable sources. Would a SdJ nom or winning something count as one source? Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 08:52, 21 July 2022 (UTC)