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I just created this wikiproject, after several months of contemplating doing so. I hope everyone working on hurricane articles will get involved. I went ahead and wrote a bunch of guidelines, basically based on current practices...naturally since this is something I just wrote it doesn't necessarily represent community consensus and needs to be discussed. That discussion should probably go here for now...although eventually we may make these pages a little more structured. For a general TODO list, see the "tasks" item on the project page. Jdorje 23:17, 5 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Should the year be included in the short description of certain articles?

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I have been removing the year from short descriptions in articles that already include the year in their title. I believe that including the year in the short description is redundant and unnecessary, as the title itself already contains the year. The year in the title provides enough context, and using it in the short description is not helpful. However, some other editors have disagreed with my changes, pointing out that other tropical cyclone articles do include the year in the short description. Their argument is not convincing, as they have not provided a strong reason for keeping the year in the short description of those articles, and the same rule could be applied to them as well.

For an article with the title Hurricane X (year), I support the following changes to the short description:

−
Category Y (basin) hurricane in (year)
+
Category Y (basin) hurricane

Your feedback is appreciated. ZZZ'S 15:29, 8 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Zzzs Sorry no one’s responded to this. I think adding the year to the short description is only necessary when the cyclones don’t have a year in their title, so I’d support this proposal. But making all the short descriptions uniform is an undertaking in itself. JayTee⛈️ 04:20, 23 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Nomination for deletion of Template:Hurricane Dennis series

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Template:Hurricane Dennis series has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the entry on the Templates for discussion page. 19:04, 9 August 2024 (UTC)

2005 Atlantic hurricane season 20 year anniversary approaching

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See here for the discussions and collaborations regarding the 2005 Atlantic hurricane season, one of the busiest and most destructive seasons, with two hurricanes causing over 1,000 deaths, five retired hurricanes, and 26 articles in total. A featured topic would require 13 featured articles, with all of the retired storms rated at least a good article (and ideally one of the featured). ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 19:10, 10 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

2023–24 South-West Indian Ocean cyclone season

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@MarioProtIV or others: Could anyone fix the final season trackmap since the season is already over? I do not know how to create season summary maps, so thank you to whoever makes it. The map looks like it is missing Ialy and 25S. I would also like to learn how to make these, so please ping me if you would like to teach me. Thank you! 2003 LN6 04:45, 20 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I will try to get to them soon, but I have mostly done the Atlantic maps so far, so I will see what I can do. MarioProtIV (talk/contribs) 04:58, 20 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you! It would be greatly appreciated if you could tell me how to make full-season track maps. 2003 LN6 22:40, 23 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Disambiguation hatnotes

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So is there a clear consensus on how hatnotes should be used in tropical cyclone articles (or rather, how readers are directed to articles of other storms with the same name)? It bothers me seeing hatnotes on articles of storms that are clearly distinguishable by the year in the title. I took a look at two discussions about this and thought there was an agreement about only keeping the hatnotes on clearly more significant tropical cyclones, and maybe remove them on articles of less significant tropical cyclones. This would comply with WP:PRIMARYTOPIC and WP:NOTAMB, and I also suggest that disambiguation pages should only be in the "See also" section of less significant storms. —JCMLuis 💬 16:12, 1 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Personally, I would rather only see them in articles about a specific system and not seasonal articles, where they look rather out of place.Jason Rees (talk) 18:41, 1 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I don't believe there is a clear consensus. If the title is clearly distinguishable by the year, then I don't think one is needed, as I stated in the two discussions that you mentioned. I think most of the disambiguation pages should be merged into the individual "List of named storms" by letter. It's essentially naming trivia for a bunch of storms that otherwise have no relationship to each other. For example, in Hurricane Cindy (2005), I just moved List of storms named Cindy down to see also. But honestly that same page isn't cited, and doesn't have all that much more than what's in List of named storms (C). And that page is useful since they might've been looking for Cinda (which is listed right above Cindy). Or maybe Cynthia. On the other hand, check out the beginning of Hurricane Dennis, which has List of storms named Dennis (since there's a chance they might've been looking for the Dennis in 1981 or 1999), as well as List of storms named Denise due to the potential for the name ambiguity. So I suppose that's a good example of when we need the hatnotes, when there is a legit chance for confusion. But the next storm of 2005, Hurricane Emily (2005), also had a hatnote, for no real reason considering that the page already has the year in the title, so I moved that hatnote down to the see also - "Other storms of the same name". So I don't know if it's a consensus exactly, but IMO there shouldn't be any hatnotes when the year is in the title, or in the cases where the year still doesn't help (like Tropical Storm Linda (1997) needing to also mention Hurricane Linda (1997) in the same year, just in a different basin). ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 18:59, 1 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This seems like a pretty good evaluation of the situation. My one concern with merging "List of storms named X" articles is that the List of named storms by letter articles seem to be a bit incomplete. I might go through it and try to beef up some of the descriptions that are no more than an en dash. ✶Quxyz✶ 20:48, 1 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Most of the "List of storms named X" articles are based on the hundreds of dab pages. There's still the problem that they're largely unsourced. I think they could actually be featured lists, and a fantastic way of linking every named storm, if they were improved, and had sources for each storm/description. Not sure if that's what you had in mind, but it would be a great way of paralleling the other ways that people can find every storm: storms by area (like List of Florida hurricanes), storms by year/basin (tropical cyclones in 1991/1991 Pacific typhoon season), and storms by intensity (like List of Atlantic tropical storms). The "List of storms named X" adds another way for readers to accomplish that, and probably a lot better than relying on the hundreds of the dab/set index article pages. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 21:01, 1 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I believed the common practice was to include hatnotes only for systems without the year in the title, which would satisfy WP:NOTAMB as you have brought up, and at one point I went around trying to move the "List of storms named X" links to the See also sections instead. Over the past 2 or 3 years I've seen most of that undone, though I haven't really been around enough recently to notice by whom. ~ KN2731 {talk · contribs} 16:03, 6 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Date formats for NIO season articles

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Throughout many articles covering North Indian Ocean cyclone seasons, MDY format is used. However, a few outliers—including the 2024 and 2016 articles—use DMY. Not only is this inconsistent, but per MOS:DATETIES DMY should be used instead of MDY. No country in the basin, much less the very RSMC that officially monitors it, predominantly uses MDY format. What reasoning, if any, is there for these articles to use MDY? ArkHyena (talk) 15:43, 4 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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