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Former good articleJohn Jonathon Pratt was one of the Engineering and technology good articles, but it has been removed from the list. There are suggestions below for improving the article to meet the good article criteria. Once these issues have been addressed, the article can be renominated. Editors may also seek a reassessment of the decision if they believe there was a mistake.
Article milestones
DateProcessResult
October 8, 2020Good article nomineeListed
February 26, 2023Good article reassessmentDelisted
Did You Know
A fact from this article appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the "Did you know?" column on July 7, 2020.
The text of the entry was: Did you know ... that John Jonathon Pratt, known as the grandfather of the typewriter (1867 model pictured), invented several common typewriter features before Remington or Hammond machines entered the market?
Current status: Delisted good article


Did you know nomination

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The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by The Squirrel Conspiracy (talk) 16:59, 27 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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1867 Pterotype
1867 Pterotype
  • ... that inventor John Jonathon Pratt of Alabama, called the grandfather of the typewriter, made and sold to the public the first practical working typewriters (pictured)?
Source 1 - John Pratt won the distinction of inventing the first working typewriter that had a sale.
Source 2 - Pterotype proved to be the first working typewriter that ever secured a sale.
Source 3 - Pratt was the first man to make and sell typewriters having sold several in London in 1871.
Source 4 - John Pratt deserves term 'grandfather of typewriter'
    • ALT1:... that inventor John Jonathon Pratt, called the grandfather of the typewriter, made and sold to the public the first working ones.(pictured)? Source: Same as for original hook above.

Created by Doug Coldwell (talk). Self-nominated at 10:03, 1 June 2020 (UTC).[reply]

  • ALT2... that with John Jonathon Pratt’s invention of a practical portable typewriter (pictured) came the end of experimental machines?
  • ALT3... that with John Jonathon Pratt’s invention of a practical portable typewriter (pictured) came the end of experimental ones?
  • ALT4... that with John Jonathon Pratt’s invention of a practical portable typewriter (pictured) came the end of the experimental stage of typewriters?
  • @Doug Coldwell: Hi again, sorry for the delay. I think your newer alts (ALTs 5-7) are going in a better direction, because they use names that readers are familiar with. But the word "typewriter" is being repeated too much. ALT8, on the other hand, is very good! I wonder if it should say "working" rather than "practical" typewriter? I wonder what you think of these additional ideas which I gleaned from the article:
  • ALT9: ... that John Jonathon Pratt, known as the grandfather of the typewriter (1867 model pictured), invented several common typewriter features before Remington or Hammond machines entered the market?
  • ALT10: ... that John Jonathon Pratt, known as the grandfather of the typewriter, called his 1867 model (pictured) the Pterotype ("winged type")?
  • ALT11: ... that John Jonathon Pratt, known as the grandfather of the typewriter, sold his U.S. model (pictured) for $125 at a time when a horse-drawn carriage cost less than $70?
  • OK. Let's wrap this up. I struck everything else and added (pictured) to the ALT9 hook. Since I suggested the hook, we need an independent reviewer. @Hog Farm: would you mind checking this alt? Thanks, Yoninah (talk) 19:45, 24 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Middle name

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Hi Doug Coldwell, thanks for this interesting bio. The article name, lede and infobox had a mix of Jonathon and Jonathan, and ref 1 ( Cherokee County Hertiage) and ref 37 (The Coosa River News) use a third spelling, Johnathan. I changed within article to the "Jonathon" spelling to match dyk hook today but leave it to you to determine if another spelling is "more correct" and, if so, page needs moving. Thanks again, JennyOz (talk) 05:06, 7 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

GA Review

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Reviewer: Hog Farm (talk · contribs) 02:36, 6 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]


Lead
  • Link South Carolina
  •  Done
  •  Done
Early life
  • "graduated from Cokesbury high school in 1849" - If the school had that exact name, it should be Cokesbury High School
  •  Done - Cokesbury college.
Mid life
  • Ref 5 makes it clear that he sold his slaves and other property to help finance the England trip and the typewriter. Add this?
 Done
  • "Pratt exhibited his typewriter in London in 1867 at the Royal Society of Arts, the Society of United Kingdom Engineers, and the Royal Society of Great Britain." - Did he exhibit it at or to these societies?
 Done
  • "The Pratt article describes in detail the function and process of Pratt's finger-operated machine" - Unclear which one is the Pratt article.
@Hog Farm: Not sure what you mean here. Reference #9 gives page number of 55 and date of 2003. Clicking on link gives page 55 that explains hit with a hammer when the pianolike keys were struck. I'm sure I can fix it, but at this point I am confused what you mean. Thanks for some additional input on this. --Doug Coldwell (talk) 21:19, 7 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
 Done
  • The paragraph starting with the above sentence is all in the present tense, while the rest of the article is in the past tense. My recommendation would be to rewrite that article to make it past tense.
@Hog Farm: I assume you mean "rewrite that paragraph" instead of "rewrite that article". I wrote it then as Pratt had developed... = will that take care of it? --Doug Coldwell (talk) 21:19, 7 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry for the confusion. I'm referring to the phrase "the Pratt article". Several articles in the preceding couple sentences could be that. Also, yeah, I meant paragraph.Hog Farm Bacon 21:28, 7 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
 Done
  • " The patent as recorded at the United States Patent Office describes the machine as having three rows of 36 different type letter symbols each selected accordingly to be printed" - The "each selected accordingly to be printed" part is reading rough to me.
 Done
Personal life
  • Is cause of death known?
 Done
Infobox
  • Drop the employer parameter from the infobox.
 Done
References
  • Ref 1 needs the author
  • Ref 5 the author is Will I. Martin
  • Add the two authors for ref 4
  • Ref 15 needs the author
  • Ref 11 needs the author
  • Refs 20 and 22 needs the publisher and date.
  • Ref 13 needs the author.
  • I'm not sure if ref 27 is reliable, since it's by a "guest blogger"
  • The Chataquan source actually is by P. G. Hubert, Jr.
  • The Chapman source doesn't actually have an author, so just leave that parameter blank. It's also by Chapman Publishing, not Arcadia Publishing
  • Provide locations for the book publishers
  • The Owen source actually has two authors. Also, the word Publishing in the publisher field should be capitalized.
  • The White ref doesn't seem to have an author, leave it blank then
  • The Pfrem source, the publisher is Bloomsbury, not Bloomsburg
  • Does Pfrem have an ISBN?
  • Do Iles and Bailey have OCLCs?
  •  Done All these issues above have been addressed.--Doug Coldwell (talk) 11:35, 8 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I've got a question about his middle name: Why the spelling here? Jonathan and Johnathan seem to be the more common ones. One idea would be to move the article to John J. Pratt, which isn't taken, and then pick the most commonly used spelling, and then create a footnote at the first mention explaining that spellings vary. If you're gonna move the article, wait until after the GA review closes. It creates a mess to move something during a GA review. = O.K. --Doug Coldwell (talk) 11:35, 8 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, so that's the first round. I'll give it another go-over after these get answered. Hog Farm Bacon 19:40, 6 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Hog Farm: All the issues have been addressed. Can you take another look. Thanks.--Doug Coldwell (talk) 11:35, 8 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Copyright contributor investigation and Good article reassessment

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This article is part of Wikipedia:Contributor copyright investigations/20210315 and the Good article (GA) drive to reassess and potentially delist over 200 GAs that might contain copyright and other problems. An AN discussion closed with consensus to delist this group of articles en masse, unless a reviewer opens an independent review and can vouch for/verify content of all sources. Please review Wikipedia:Good article reassessment/February 2023 for further information about the GA status of this article, the timeline and process for delisting, and suggestions for improvements. Questions or comments can be made at the project talk page. MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 09:36, 9 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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