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Origins

The manaksih are originally from the Lebanese Bekaa valley, and has been adopted and developer all over mount lebanon, the Syrians only imported it later on. I don't have much specific sources, but I have talked to people in Syria and they confirm this. I suggest finding a reference then changing the origin from Levantine to Lebanon. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.218.105.203 (talk) 15:55, 26 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Photo

Why there need be two photo of exact same food in this article? One need be remove as it make article jumble. Ani medjool (talk) 23:16, 22 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Ani medjool raises a good point. Sandwiching text between the column of photos on the left and the infobox on the right is frowned upon (see WP:MOS#Images) because it makes the article extremely hard to read on many browsers/monitors. — Malik Shabazz ^Talk/_Stalk 23:33, 22 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Top photo be better photo. It more clear in authenticit and not have strange color. Ani medjool (talk) 23:39, 22 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Another transparent attempt at politically-motivated removal of a photo from Israel, consistent with this editor's past record. If layout were truly the problem, there is ample room for both existing photos side by side at the bottom. Hertz1888 (talk) 23:42, 22 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Hertz user, please no personal attack me. There be no reason for two exact photo of exact same food in article. Both be of breat with za'atar and the sesame on it. But one photo have strange color and be clear that other photo of better quality. Ani medjool (talk) 23:50, 22 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

There are currently 3 pictures in the article. Hertz1888 mentions politically-motivated edits, but its actually the other way around. Although there is already one picture that displays the arab food [1], some editors have in every single arab food article including this article, added Israeli pictures for some reason. This is unnecessary and clearly attempts by pro-Israeli editors to tamper with arab food articles. There is absolutely no reason why 1 picture isn't enough, and there is no reason why there should be any picture from Israel about this arab dish. --Supreme Deliciousness (talk) 00:18, 23 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I think Supreme Deliciousness is right: there's no need for an article this short to have more than one picture (i.e., the one in the infobox). But if editors feel a pressing need to include more pictures, please consider a gallery like the one at Falafel. Sandwiching the text the way it is now shouldn't be considered as an option. — Malik Shabazz ^Talk/_Stalk 00:28, 23 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

If the issue is layout, then I guess we'll cut it down to 1 picture for now. I still don't think there is consensus for this change. If someone wants to add a gallery, feel free. Until then, I'll remove the other extra image as well so that we aren't only removing the Israeli one, which doesn't make much sense according to the argument given by the editors supporting the removal of clutter. Breein1007 (talk) 00:58, 23 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

No its not only layout, its that this is an Arab dish, so there is no reason to have a picture from a country that is not affiliated with this dish, specially when there already was one picture representing the Arab dish,[2] so one more showing nothing the first picture doesn't show is unnecessary. And you show your ignorance in this topic but removing the only Manakish picture left in the article: [3]... since you obviously have no idea what Manakish is, you should re ad this picture that you removed: [4] and stop your tampering of the article. --Supreme Deliciousness (talk) 01:09, 23 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, except Israel is affiliated with the dish since I have eaten delicious Manakish from a vendor in Yerushalayim. :) Thanks though. Breein1007 (talk) 01:14, 23 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I can get kebab at every street here in Sweden. Do you see swedish people adding swedish food categories to that article? Are Swedish people adding more pictures of swedish produced kebab then pictures from turkey or other countries combined? --Supreme Deliciousness (talk) 09:23, 23 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I am the editor who originally added the photo of Manakish that Ani Medjool wants removed. At the time I added the photo, it was the only photo of Manakish in the article. An editor popped up who opposed my photo[5] calling it a "zionist" attempt to "hijack" the article, and removed my photo adding one they found elsewhere on Wikipedia. After a brief edit war, both photos were included as an attempt to maintain some sort of peace.

In addressing this recent request by Ani Medjool, he/she has made it no secret that they want Israeli photos removed from Wikipedia articles, and has repeatedly tried several ways to accomplish this at other articles (Falafel, Za'atar etc...in fact, I think they were blocked for making similar edits at Za'atar). Unfortunately this editing style makes it difficult to assume good faith in his/her editing at this article. --nsaum75^{¡שיחת!‎} 02:01, 23 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Ani medjool has an overt agenda to remove pictures from Israel, but just as a broken clock tells the right time twice a day, in this instance Ani medjool happened to be right—about formatting.

Now that I look more closely at the article, I see that I was mistaken; the image in the infobox is pizza, not manakish. Maybe we should put a picture of manakish at the top right (above the infobox). — Malik Shabazz ^Talk/_Stalk 02:22, 23 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Sure, how do we choose which picture to put up? The one that has been up longer? Any other ideas? Breein1007 (talk) 02:30, 23 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I think the more pressing question is do we reward disruptive behavior? Doing so only encourages further disruption in my opinion. Regardless, editors who try to politicize photos of food are the primary reason I do not contribute more photos that I take in the Middle East. Quite frankly, these debates get old, especially when the motives behind it have nothing with trying to improve the article. --nsaum75^{¡שיחת!‎} 02:52, 23 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The only ones who are politicizing photos of food are the ones who have a compulsive behavior to have to put Israeli pictures inside every single arab food article for some reason. --Supreme Deliciousness (talk) 09:28, 23 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Actually, I added the photo where no photo previously existed. I probably would not have added one had there already existed a photo of Manakish. But you're missing the point - It shouldn't matter where a photo was taken, but obviously when someone makes an issue of it, it politicizes an article and offends everyone involved. If the photo had been of Manakish at a US restaurant, nobody would have cared....but because it the photo was taken in Israel, editors who dislike that country find it offensive and want it removed. Where is the rational in this? Wiki does not censor, but thats effectively what we're being asked to do -- to remove perfectly good information/photos that a certain segment of the population finds "offensive" based upon their dislike of a certain country and its people. Whether the removal is through outright deletions or announcements that "I want the Israeli photo removed, so I am going to find another photo to replace it", both amount to the same thing, if not wikilawyering and disruptive editing too. --nsaum75^{¡שיחת!‎} 14:45, 23 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

So? you added one inappropriate and non-neutral photo, and just because there is a neutral, non-biased alternative, it cant be replaced? If it doesn't matter where a photo was taken, why did you write that it was taken in Israel? And why are you discussing this issue? Why are you inserting Israeli pictures in all Arab food articles if it doesn't matter? Is this appropriate? So when you do this in all Arab food articles, you are the one that makes an issue out of it, and politicize it, not me. This is not a simple one time occasion of "just happened" to be a picture from Israel, but a repeated pattern in every single Arab food article. If it had happened one time then I'm sure I and many others wouldn't care, but when it happens repeatedly in all Arab food articles then you are forcing me to care because this is an obvious nationalistic pov pushing from your part. No one has asked you to censor, but only to be neutral. This is an Arab dish, how is it neutral to have a picture from Israel when there is a good and neutral alternative? The truth is that you and Breein1007 have really no interest in improving the article, but only to push your own nationalistic pov as shown when he removed both manakish pictures thinking that the pizza picture was manakish, he has no idea what he is doing, he has really no idea what manakish is. The same thing with you at this article and many other Arab food articles, for example falafel when you kept on nagging to re ad the gallery and look at it now:[6] 9 pictures in the article, 3 of them from Israel, are you happy now? --Supreme Deliciousness (talk) 19:31, 23 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with Supreme Deliciousness. There be wide spread attempt to discredit Arab food and make look like it "Israeli". We seek bring truth to article while other editor repeatly continue disrupt food article by insert non-neutral and pov foto from "Israel". If "pro-Israel" editors continue disrupt Arab food article by insert non-neutral and POV foto from "Israel", this will be take to administrator board for action against editor who seek to discredit and disrupt article. I sure the admin will see that me and Supreme Deliciousness are one who seek to improve article while "pro israel" editor seek to only disrupt article and claim arab food for "Israel". Ani medjool (talk) 23:09, 23 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

In case you missed my message below, Ani medjool, I'm reposting it here. If you continue your disruptive efforts to politicize food articles by selectively removing photos taken in Israel, I will bring the issue to the appropriate noticeboard. — Malik Shabazz ^Talk/_Stalk 23:38, 23 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Sooner or later, that pressing question has to be addressed decisively, preferably sooner. The disruptive behavior has been tolerated far too long, and wastes the time & energy of editors who could be engaged in more productive pursuits. As for the manakish photos, what if we were to put both in a gallery at the bottom of the article, where they wouldn't cramp text flow? I'm not sure why we need the pizza infobox. If it's not mandatory, perhaps it can be collapsed, or removed entirely. Hertz1888 (talk) 03:14, 23 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I removed the {{Pizza}} infobox and restored the pictures on the right. I removed the phrase from the caption that said the manakish was from an Israeli bakery, because I'm not sure it's particularly important. If anybody disagrees, please change the caption. Also, somebody should change the caption of the second picture ("Za'atar bread"). I'm pretty sure that it's also "Manakish made with za'atar", but we shouldn't use the same caption for the two pictures. — Malik Shabazz ^Talk/_Stalk 18:55, 23 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The disruptive behavior by pro-Israeli editors with an obvious agenda to politicize food by adding Israeli pictures inside every single arab food article has been tolerated far too long and is very disruptive, and can be compared to vandalism. Its a small article and there is nothing that the Israeli picture shows, as the neutral photo doesn't show, yet, when the Israeli picture gets removed from this arab article,(where it has no place), then these disruptive editors have to remove the neutral photo also. And now they are talking about the Israeli photo as if it has some kind of "legitimate" place in the Arab article. --Supreme Deliciousness (talk) 09:37, 23 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

If you continue editing based on this reasoning, I will report you for violating core Wikipedia policies. The Israeli photo is not non-neutral, no matter how many times you beat your head against the wall. Unless anyone has legitimate reasons to object, I am soon going to re-add the photo that was originally in this article (ie: Nsaum's) before the extra one was added. The second picture did not add any value to the article, and just made things cluttered, counter to policy cited by Malik above. Breein1007 (talk) 16:07, 23 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Several people have objected to the re adding of the non-neutral nationalistic Israeli picture. You have no consensus for it to be re added. The only neutral photo showing no nationality but only the dish is this one [7] So that is the one that should be in the article. The fact that you removed both manakish pictures thinking that the pizza picture was manakish shows that you have no idea what you are doing or what manakish is. Your agenda is to push a nationalistic pov, not in improving the article. --Supreme Deliciousness (talk) 19:32, 23 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Honestly, Supreme Deliciousness, I don't know where you come up with some of this stuff. If you and Ani medjool continue your disruptive efforts to politicize food articles by selectively removing photos taken in Israel, I will bring the issue to the appropriate noticeboard. — Malik Shabazz ^Talk/_Stalk 18:39, 23 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

And you don't see any problem with Israeli editors adding Israeli images in every single Arab food article? How is that appropriate? --Supreme Deliciousness (talk) 19:27, 23 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

If the pictures are superior in quality, as this one is, then no, I don't see any problem. The simple fact is that there are more Israeli editors and photographers contributing to Wikipedia than there are Arab editors and photographers. Another fact is that "Arab food" is served in Israel as well as in Arab states.

If an American photographer took a picture of Hunan cuisine served in the U.S., would you accuse them of politicizing the article? Somehow I think not. — Malik Shabazz ^Talk/_Stalk 20:13, 23 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, I am a volunteer of Global Lives Project. A video of a Lebanese Manakish chef making and serving the folded Manakish topped with thyme might be helpful in the main overview section. The video can be found here Indu Murali (talk) 20:27, 8 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Levantine: Code for "We Refuse To Say Arabic"

Like most Palestinian, Lebanese and Syrian dishes, Manakish predates the Zionist state by centuries. These are not recipes that Jews carried with them over the centuries to Europe, or back to Palestine when they invaded. Why pretend this is "Israeli" culture by default? It's not. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.66.85.9 (talk) 05:26, 18 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

100% true. This is the Wikipedia trend of the Zionization of every article possible, especially those related to Palestine, Lebanon, Egypt, Syria and every other scrap of land these thieving European pseudo-Jews have their eyes on. This obviously draws out the more passionate anti-Zios and truth-tellers, making it statistically more likely they will be either banned or become disenfranchised with Ziopedia, leaving the door open for ever more Zionist edits. If you say anything, you're tarred as either an antisemite (goy) or self-hating Jew (yid). Dumb or cowardly "admins" and "mods" turn a blind eye, because their power over others means more to them than, y'know, a sense of human decency and fairness. People might as well look to The CIA Newsletter for updates at this rate. 76.69.155.96 (talk) 17:43, 30 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Will the controls on editing last forever?

There are only 2 posts on this talk page since 2010. Will the controls last forever?--Richardson mcphillips (talk) 00:30, 21 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Not forever, only until the Armageddon! LOL 76.69.155.96 (talk) 17:44, 30 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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