User:Snotbot/AfD's requiring attention

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Below are the top 25 AfD discussions which are most urgently in need of attention from !voters. The urgency for each AfD is calculated based on various statistics, including current number of votes, time until closing date, number of times relisted, overall discussion length, etc. This page is updated by a bot roughly every 6 hours, and was last updated on 08:32, 18 August 2024 (UTC).

AfD	Time to close	Votes	Size (bytes)	Score
Fenercell	19 days ago	2	4468	1619.11
Temple, Indiana	18 days ago	3	6323	1521.13
Red Ink Awards	16 days ago	1	5836	1498.21
Seneb-Neb-Af	15 days ago	1	7386	1469.38
21st Asianet Film Awards	17 days ago	3	8687	1443.45
Alexis Tomassian	13 days ago	0	9902	1329.93
List of career achievements by Kareem Abdul-Jabbar	16 days ago	4	9249	1304.44
Beverley town fair	12 days ago	1	4013	1281.01
Kingo Root (2nd nomination)	15 days ago	4	7979	1256.37
1977 Allentown mayoral election	12 days ago	1	10557	1218.81
Writesonic (2nd nomination)	11 days ago	0	3755	1198.83
Medwyn Goodall	12 days ago	1	5752	1193.8
Jasën Blu	11 days ago	1	4006	1190.83
Coronation Park (Sunyani, Ghana)	10 days ago	0	2862	1155.15
Martha Mbugua	10 days ago	0	5288	1143.24
Anguilla at the 2014 Commonwealth Games	11 days ago	2	4709	1095.95
St. Joseph's Senior Secondary School, Kanpur	10 days ago	1	3023	1089.76
Daaru Salaam University	10 days ago	1	2962	1081.38
Klover	11 days ago	2	4906	1066.22
Markku Helminen	10 days ago	1	5229	1061.93
Jon Radoff	10 days ago	1	5631	1058.51
Pakri pakohi	10 days ago	2	3291	1001.78
Darby Lloyd Rains (2nd nomination)	11 days ago	3	12404	998.37
Hynek Štichauer	10 days ago	2	3725	992.36
Tuleap (2nd nomination)	10 days ago	2	5460	982.07

Fenercell

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Notability is not found; there are also no reliable sources Dirubii Olchoglu (talk) 08:02, 23 July 2024 (UTC)

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Comment. Is only a redirect in the Turkish Wikipedia. Geschichte (talk) 12:13, 30 July 2024 (UTC)

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Redirect to Fenerbahçe S.K. as per WP:ATD, sourcing fails GNG/WP:NCORP. HighKing⁺⁺ 10:58, 6 August 2024 (UTC)
Comment: Only the first 2 sentences are about Fenercell; the remainder is about Avea (now part of Türk Telekom) and a broad discussion about mobile networks in Türkiye. In that state, it would have been better titled as Avea. Or reduced to a 2 sentence stub on Fenercell, which would sit with the redirect on the tr.wiki article. Regarding the "Fenercell" branding, that uses other providers such as A1 Telekom Austria Group elsewhere [1]. AllyD (talk) 13:36, 6 August 2024 (UTC)

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Merge with Fenerbahçe S.K. since its standalone notability is unclear per WP:GNG. TheJoyfulTentmaker (talk) 19:06, 17 August 2024 (UTC)
If a merge was to be done, looking at the target article, I think it would best be accomplished by (a) retitling the Fenerbahçe_S.K.#Fenerium section to Licensing and marketing, then (b) appending a short text along the lines of "Fenercell is a mobile network brand operated in conjunction with telephony providers.", but this would need to be supported by a reliable reference independent of the club and its partner providers. AllyD (talk) 09:58, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

Temple, Indiana

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The cited history calls this Temple Station, which is what it looks like. I'm not seeing evidence it ever actually developed into a town. Mangoe (talk) 17:28, 23 July 2024 (UTC)

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Comment
- A. Temple seems to have gotten "Temple" platted at least in the 1920s.
- It's on this 1950 census map.
- Post office applications in 1903 and 1933 just reiterate that it was between English and Marengo. One of the PO applicants was A. Temple.
- This history suggests it was on a historic road of pioneer days, and later supported a school and a church.

jengod (talk) 07:24, 25 July 2024 (UTC)

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Delete, along with all the other articles on unincorporated places. What is the point of these? If anyone thinks they are worth having at all, could they not be moved to a new article List of unincorporated places, with appropriate sub-headings Indiana etc.?
Pinging User:Jengod since I neglected to in my relisting statement. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 23:06, 7 August 2024 (UTC)
@Liz thanks for the ping. it's definitely not a keep vote. I love expanding geo-stubs and ghost towns articles to save them from deletion, but this one has a vanishingly thin trail, and is probably not encyclopedic, but I just don't have any enthusiasm for it either way. If someone wanted to improve it, maybe those links could help? I'm an inclusionist for the most part so my personal bar to actively vote delete is very high. jengod (talk) 23:52, 7 August 2024 (UTC)
Keep, simply because there is a paper trail and there's many, many other communities that don't even have that, much less any info about it written on Wikipedia. It is also listed on Google Maps as Temple. SouthernDude297 (talk) 20:05, 8 August 2024 (UTC)

GMaps uses WP as a source. Also, the "paper trail" problem is that many of those, particularly GNIS, has decided problems. Mangoe (talk) 22:13, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

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● Keep- per @SouthernDude297 😎😎PaulGamerBoy360😎😎 (talk) 14:05, 14 August 2024 (UTC)

Delete: Doesn't appear to pass GNG. Somebodyidkfkdt (talk) 10:34, 14 August 2024 (UTC)

Red Ink Awards

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Non-notable award. References are all announcements of winners and the majority are unreliable, falling under WP:NEWSORGINDIA. A WP:BEFORE was unable to locate significant coverage that talks about the reward itself. CNMall41 (talk) 03:05, 26 July 2024 (UTC)

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Keep but move: It looks like these should be written as "RedInk Awards". I don't see WP:NEWSORGINDIA really applying here: These are awarded by the Mumbai Press Club, so any reporting is unlikely to be paid. Coverage of almost any journalism award is going to be a little iffy on independence due to sources written by journalists with personal and organisational interests, memberships, and possibly voting participation (although these ones are juried). If the Mumbai Press Club had an article -- and I'm not sure it should -- I'd be happy with a merge to section. In the absence of that ATD, because there is post-event reporting in national sources and the awards presenters have included a Chief Justice of India, a State Governor, a State Chief Minister, and a federal Minister (indicating a particular level of repute)[2][3][4][5][6], and it's reasonable for the awards to [continue to] be listed at recipients' articles and this list article facilitates interlinking, I'm landing on retention (possibly slight WP:IAR). ^~Hydronium^~Hydroxide^~(Talk)~ 13:12, 30 July 2024 (UTC)

I was looking for a good redirect as an WP:ATD but unfortunately one does not exists. "Press Trust of India" and "News Express Service" bylines fit the definition of NEWSORGINDIA 100% though. I am wondering which ones you feel do not fall under that criteria as I would be happy to go back and look (I may have missed something). I think it would be more of WP:ATA as opposed to WP:IAR. --CNMall41 (talk) 20:21, 30 July 2024 (UTC)

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Seneb-Neb-Af

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I can only find sources and content unduly taking about mastaba. ~~If there should be ATD, then redirect.~~ Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 12:43, 26 July 2024 (UTC)

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Comment: mastaba is not an appropriate redirect target, as he is not mentioned there. It's clear that he's only notable as the person who was buried in his mastaba, though, so the AfD discussion here should centre on whether Mastaba of Seneb-Neb-Af is notable (we can rename the article after the AfD if so). -- asilvering (talk) 18:22, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
Oh, thanks for that, Asilvering. I think we should redirect this article somewhere for now since Mastaba of Seneb-Neb-Af hasn't been created yet. Is there any target you can think of? I wouldn't support renaming because the article is a mess; lacks sources and sufficient context. Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 21:03, 3 August 2024 (UTC)

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Comment Mastaba is a generic term for a type of tomb. Redirecting there would make no sense. It could be mentioned at Dahshur#Tombs and cemeteries, though. XOR'easter (talk) 19:50, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
I like this target but how is it connected? Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 21:08, 3 August 2024 (UTC)
That's where the tomb of Seneb-Neb-Af is. XOR'easter (talk) 20:37, 4 August 2024 (UTC)
I'm not sure if having a tomb dedicated/made by/for someone establishes their notability. Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 13:33, 7 August 2024 (UTC)
I don't understand your comment. We know it belongs to him; it's got his name on it. -- asilvering (talk) 22:52, 7 August 2024 (UTC)
@SafariScribe, it's much better to respond to comments as a reply rather than rewriting your initial talk page comment. To reply to your new comment: XOR'easter is not making any kind of claim about Seneb-Neb-Af's notability. They're saying that the tomb could be mentioned in the article Dashur, since that's where the tomb is. -- asilvering (talk) 16:20, 8 August 2024 (UTC)
Oh! Danke. Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 16:56, 8 August 2024 (UTC)
To be clear on my stance, I think the tomb could be mentioned there, but that it's not so important or well-reported (at this point) to be worth doing so. -- asilvering (talk) 19:14, 8 August 2024 (UTC)
Delete. Okay, having looked into this a bit more, I don't think we should redirect this at all, since this is a very new finding that has only just been reported on in popular press. We don't even have a site report yet as far as I can tell? I don't think a mention is due on Dashur, and I don't think anyone searching for this name will be well-served by a redirect, either. -- asilvering (talk) 23:35, 5 August 2024 (UTC)

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21st Asianet Film Awards

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One of many WP:CFORKS for Asianet Film Awards created by now blocked/banned user. Sources I find in a WP:BEFORE are not significant enough to show notability for this segment of the award. The information is also covered in the main pace for Asianet Film Awards so this needs deleted or the information about individual winners on that main page needs removed. CNMall41 (talk) 19:12, 24 July 2024 (UTC)

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Keep: WP:SPLITLIST for navigation reasons. Not all years for the awards have their page but that's not a reason to delete those that exist. See category. -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 22:19, 24 July 2024 (UTC)

It is not a list, it is an event. --CNMall41 (talk) 04:45, 25 July 2024 (UTC)

If only you had opened the link to the guideline you might have had a chance to understand what it says. And, on top of this, your comment is completely absurd. The page uses table format and is about an event. It's not the event itself. But maybe you consider, for example, that BLP pages about actors are the actors themselves and not articles. -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 12:05, 26 July 2024 (UTC)

Nope. This is about an event with a list of winners. It is not a list article. I am curious how you know if I opened any link or not or why you want to be uncivil. --CNMall41 (talk) 10:02, 30 July 2024 (UTC)

If you indeed open(ed) the link you probably (would have) realise(d) that WP:SPLITLIST does not deal only with "list articles"/"lists" and basically says the same thing as what you yourself say at the end of your rationale, from what I understand of it. You indeed explain that "information is also covered in the main (s)pace for Asianet Film Awards so this needs deleted" (if such is the case, it would seem better to redirect rather than delete, but, anyway), but according to WP:SPLITLIST, it would be even better if one could do as you suggest at the end of the same sentence and edit the page(s), as "the information about individual winners on that main page needs removed."

I don't "want to be uncivil" but, as your latest reply perfectly shows, by the way, your initial reply 1) wasn't actually commenting on anything I had referred to (so I assumed you didn't open the link, and one might even assume you still haven't) 2) offered a completely false and absurd dichotomy, on which I commented with a humorous similar dichotomy, obviously not seriously implying that you do really believe that actors are pages. I apologise if you thought I was saying this seriously and if indeed you have opened the page but did not see it was not dealing with lists only. -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 21:11, 31 July 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for the explanation. Just a note that your humor does not come across as humor. It comes across as advertorial which takes away from my enjoyment of editing Wikipedia. But again, I understand now based on your explanation. --CNMall41 (talk) 22:32, 31 July 2024 (UTC)

Delete, effectively unsourced. Snarky mind-reading comments not withstanding, even a breakout list requires reasonable sources. Hyperbolick (talk) 09:32, 28 July 2024 (UTC)

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draft: ? I mean there are sources about who won what award, but just having a wall of text in fancy boxes isn't helping. This needs adequate sourcing. Oaktree b (talk) 23:24, 31 July 2024 (UTC)

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Merge into Asianet Film Awards: A notable event requires wp:INDEPTH coverage that preferably lasts. The criteria is not quite achieved through "Winners Lists" on a few niche websites published only in the year of the ceremony. @Mushy Yank, it seems the other ones in the category have varied coverage. Such as https://www.indiantelevision.com/television/tv-channels/regional/asianet-ropes-in-11-sponsors-for-17th-aisanet-film-awards-150122 for the 17th one. It doesn’t look like the 21st does. CherryPie94 🍒🥧 (talk) 07:22, 14 August 2024 (UTC)

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Alexis Tomassian

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nonnotable voice actor - Altenmann >talk 03:43, 29 July 2024 (UTC)

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Comment: I'm trying to evaluate WP:ENT, but Alexis Tomassian § Filmography is pretty misleading; for instance, Tomassian did not voice Zuko in A:TLA, but rather in its French dub. The best I can find so far is voicing the main characters of Martin Mystery and The Podcats, and the latter's notability is questionable. jlwoodwa (talk) 06:17, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
He also voiced Samson in Calamity, a Childhood of Martha Jane Cannary; he's listed as the third star, and a review describes Samson as the plot's initial catalyst. That looks like a significant role to me. jlwoodwa (talk) 18:38, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
Not a significant coverage of Tomassian. In fact, not a mum about him. Notability not inherited - Altenmann >talk 18:43, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
I'll paraphrase the part of WP:ENT that applies here: An actor or voice actor may be considered notable if they have had significant roles in multiple notable films or television shows. That's from a subject-specific notability guideline. "Significant coverage" has nothing to do with that – it's only in WP:GNG. I also don't see your point with WP:INHERIT – that section names SNGs as a case where notability can be inherited. jlwoodwa (talk) 22:05, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
I see, thanks for clarification. Still, I fail to see "initial catalyst" is "significant role": Samson is covered in a single sentence. If a role is significant, surely it deserves more than that. About INHERIT, thanks again, I stand corrected. - Altenmann >talk 22:13, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
The review's pretty sparse on plot in general, and Samson's one sentence is more than any other (non-main) character gets. Calamity, a Childhood of Martha Jane Cannary § Plot goes into more detail, and he's mentioned in 9 sentences there (mostly as "the soldier", but that's unambiguous). jlwoodwa (talk) 23:08, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
Sorry to be obnoxious, but one needs an independent source that describes character's role as "significant" or similar, otherwise it is Wikipedian's opinion/original research. In the case of Calamity, I inclined to believe, because imdb say "starring Salomé Boulven Alexandra Lamy Alexis Tomassian", implying these are major roles, but unfortunately imdb is not a valid ref for wikipedia. OK. I'm done being obnoxious here. :-) - Altenmann >talk 23:41, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
I agree that notability needs to be based on reliable sources, but we're never going to get a reliable source to directly support a claim that "this subject is wikinotable". That's probably why WP:NOR's lead says it doesn't apply to deletion discussions. jlwoodwa (talk) 06:28, 30 July 2024 (UTC)
Red herring. Strawman. Muddy waters. Don't give it to me. We need a source which supports our requirement for notability. In this case we need sources which imply that the actor had "significant roles in multiple notable films or television shows". And this must acceptable for the article, not for AfD bickering. - Altenmann >talk 07:43, 30 July 2024 (UTC)
What are you talking about? It's not a red herring. WP:NOR literally states that This policy does not apply to talk pages and other pages which evaluate article content and sources, such as deletion discussions or policy noticeboards. Can you explain why you think we need those particular sources, given that WP:NOR does not apply? jlwoodwa (talk) 09:02, 30 July 2024 (UTC)
Nonsense. You cannot base article content on non-reliable sources. Just the same, you cannot judge subject notability basing on self-published sources. Are you seriously telling me that if actor's mom says that her boy is the greatest actor, then we write a Wikipedia article about him? AfD discussions routinely judge sources, and WP:NOR has nothing to do with this. - Altenmann >talk 16:21, 30 July 2024 (UTC)
I am not telling you that. I don't know why you'd think I'm telling you that. As I said before, I agree that notability needs to be based on reliable sources. I'm only objecting to your statement that one needs an independent source that describes character's role as "significant" or similar, otherwise it is Wikipedian's opinion/original research. jlwoodwa (talk) 19:47, 30 July 2024 (UTC)
I am not objecting that a certain degree of "original research" is necessary in AfD discussions: of course, judging sources is kinda "original research", but this kind of Wikipedian's opinion about sources is everywhere in Wikipedia, and it is not really original research. I see we are in the same page here, so never mind. - Altenmann >talk 20:13, 30 July 2024 (UTC)

Thanks to Donaldd23's improvements, Zombillenium now looks notable, and a review describes Steven (Tomassian's character) for three sentences. jlwoodwa (talk) 23:29, 29 July 2024 (UTC)

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Liz summarized the discussion correctly: we need sources that the actor had significant role, i.e., they were either among main characters (no further sources needed) or among supporting roles which were somehow noted by critics (e.g. award for "best supporting role" (but in the latter case it is for notability anyway), or other mentions, eg I saw statements that this or that secondary role unexpectedly rose to prominence in a film due to actor's extraordinary acting). - Altenmann >talk 03:10, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
- <sigh> I have to go against my own nom, since nobody else bothers: Tomassian voiced Kaworu Nagisa (in French dubbing), definitely among main chars. - Altenmann >talk 03:21, 5 August 2024 (UTC)

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List of career achievements by Kareem Abdul-Jabbar

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Similar to other articles in the Career achievements of basketball players category, this is a collection of indiscriminate trivia with trivial statistical cross sections, which is a violation of WP:NOTSTATS and does not meet the notability criteria under WP:NLIST. The most pertinent info is already included in the main article. Let'srun (talk) 00:58, 26 July 2024 (UTC)

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Keep but with severe pruning. Ditch the NBA statistics and Career high sections and trim the NBA records, but that still leaves a notable boatload of the last, e.g. most points scored, most blocks (both now second), etc. Clarityfiend (talk) 08:42, 26 July 2024 (UTC)
Keep - Too many for one regular bio page. KatoKungLee (talk) 23:50, 26 July 2024 (UTC)

Keep unless there's a solid reason to delete it beyond being statistics-heavy. Kareem is one of the sport's greatest players, something which has drawn extremely extensive commentary, so I don't think this is really indiscriminate.

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... unless there's a solid reason to delete it beyond being statistics-heavy: The nom mentioned WP:NOTSTATS, which is a policy. —Bagumba (talk) 04:44, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

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Delete Unneeded WP:CONTENTFORK packed with WP:UNDUE, indiscriminate, trivial stats minutiae. Major, defining achievements should be captured in the main bio. The basic achievements are already at Kareem Abdul-Jabbar § NBA career statistics, Kareem Abdul-Jabbar § Athletic honors and Kareem Abdul-Jabbar § Legacy. Also fails WP:NOTSTATS: Statistics that lack context or explanation can reduce readability and may be confusing As most of this page is unsourced (tagged since April), there's no opportunity to merge either. Consistent with consensus against standalone odes to other Basketball Hall of Fame players and "top 10" of all-time like Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of career achievements by Hakeem Olajuwon and Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of career achievements by Larry Bird.—Bagumba (talk) 10:57, 1 August 2024 (UTC)

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Comment. ~~The sole delete vote recommends merging the material into the main article.~~ However, that article is very long (8098 words), and WP:SIZESPLIT applies. Clarityfiend (talk) 12:15, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
I did not recommend a merge at all: As most of this page is unsourced (tagged since April), there's no opportunity to merge either. As also mentioned, WP:NOTSTATS applies for the trivial numbers as well.—Bagumba (talk) 11:12, 3 August 2024 (UTC)

First all-time (second now) scoring, rebounding and blocked shots are "trivial numbers"? Also, why are you typing "*:"? ":*" actually does something with the asterisk. Clarityfiend (talk) 13:41, 3 August 2024 (UTC)
As mentioned previously, major stats such as those are presented in prose at Kareem Abdul-Jabbar § Legacy. It doesn't need a standalone list conflated with unsourced trivial stats. As for the indenting question, I was using the reply tool, and its formatting seems consistent with Wikipedia:Colons and asterisks § Best practices—Bagumba (talk) 07:24, 4 August 2024 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Colons_and_asterisks#Best_practices says to use things like ":::" or "***", not a mixture. If the reply tool is doing something else, then it's faulty in a minor way. Clarityfiend (talk) 13:23, 5 August 2024 (UTC)

There's a mixed example there showing *****: sixth reply.—Bagumba (talk) 22:04, 5 August 2024 (UTC)

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Delete I agree with Bagumba. The important material is already at Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, either in the infobox or in the body. I suspect that quite a bit of this is inaccurate or out of date. For starters, LeBron James now holds the record for most All-Star games, not Kareem. That's a relatively major fact that hasn't been corrected. That may just be the tip of the iceberg. Generally speaking, I think Wikipedia does a poor job maintaining articles of this nature, and even if someone does some short-term cleanup, that effort won't be sustained over time. Zagalejo (talk) 00:18, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
I think Wikipedia does a poor job maintaining articles of this nature ...: Yes, it's been tagged for months requesting more sources. Per WP:V:
Any material that needs an inline citation but does not have one may be removed.
There's nothing sourced left here that isn't already mentioned in the main bio, if unsourced content is removed.—Bagumba (talk) 06:32, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

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Beverley town fair

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This article appears to be about a livestock market that has changed date and location a few times. I was able to find a reference to medieval Saturday markets, but that 1. doesn't support the implied claim of continuity 2. still wouldn't be a claim of notability since most medium sized towns have markets of one form or another.

Looking at a current list of What's on in Beverley, there's nothing with this exact name. It's clearly the case that there are and were several markets, fairs, festivals and other community events in Beverley - searching online brings up results for the Festival of Christmas, Beverley Puppet Fest before any mention of a livestock fair - none individually notable enough for a Wikipedia article.

I would redirect to Beverley#Culture and amenities. As the article is currently entirely unsourced, I don't believe there's anything that needs merging or preserving. -- D'n'B-t -- 10:02, 29 July 2024 (UTC)

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Merge or Redirect to Beverley#Culture and amenities. A brief sentence of its existence could be supported with this source, I don't think it needs more than that but as it seems to have been a central trading point before the development of Hull it could be at least worth a mention. Suonii180 (talk) 19:30, 4 August 2024 (UTC)

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Kingo Root

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Same as previous AfD (Possibly malware, few and unreliable sources, written somewhat like an ad) – The Sharpest Lives (💬•✏️•ℹ️) (ping me!) 16:59, 26 July 2024 (UTC)

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~~Support~~ as nominator. Additionally, KingRoot and Kingo Root may be different. – The Sharpest Lives (💬•✏️•ℹ️) (ping me!) 19:54, 26 July 2024 (UTC) (your nomination is your "vote", this could be seen as a duplicate vote. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 20:26, 2 August 2024 (UTC))

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Keep CNET from 2016 and DigitalTrends are reliable according to RSP. 1/4 of the content is devoted to the malware suspicions so I don't see how it's writen like an ad, nor is "possibly malware" a valid deletion rationale. Aaron Liu (talk) 18:45, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
Per below, merging would also be good. Aaron Liu (talk) 18:16, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

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Keep- This is a well known and popular app used to root a phone, it is listed on many sites. (KingRoot is a knockoff of KingoRoot) 😎😎PaulGamerBoy360😎😎 (talk) 16:07, 12 August 2024 (UTC)
Merge to a related software article, probably Rooting (Android), as was suggested in the first AfD five years ago. There's not really enough coverage of this to satisfy general notability guideline from what I can see. The main sources on the article currently are self-published and it seems that that may be difficult if not impossible to replace while keeping any content of note in the article. StewdioMACK (talk) 13:28, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
Have you read the 2015 CNet article? It is decidedly not a primary source. Aaron Liu (talk) 15:48, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
That's really the only notable review though that I can see. I still just think that this could easily be covered in the Rooting (Android) article. Many of the other sources on the article seem to be unsuitable; several are just original research forum threads. StewdioMACK (talk) 16:10, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
Only two are forum threads, one of which represents the entire forum’s position; the other one is indeed a problem. I’m not opposed to a merge as the article is indeed quite short, but I think that there are at least two good sources, the other one being DigitalTrends. Aaron Liu (talk) 16:47, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
Does the first forum thread not constitute an inappropriate source/original research? Honest question, I would have thought you'd have to get a reliable secondary source reporting on that development instead of a mod on the forum itself. And Digital Trends is a fine source but Kingo is just a small part of that article. StewdioMACK (talk) 16:56, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
Don’t take my words as gospel, but XDA Developers is a pretty large and influential entity worthy of consideration as its own source. I don’t think it adds to notability, though. Aaron Liu (talk) 18:16, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

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1977 Allentown mayoral election

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Okay, this will be thorough on this one, since lots of these mayoral election deletions have ended as trainwrecks for me. This article is a vialation of WP:NEVENT, as it fails to have significant lasting coverage that fails to qualify. THERE IS NO AUTOMATIC NOTABILITY FOR MAYORAL ELECTIONS, as shown here, here, here, here, and here of articles of similar size or larger to Allentown.

A quick WP:BEFORE fails to find any significant lasting coverage as well on Google or ProQuest.

Now, it looks like the article is long, so it must have good sources? Not to establish notability. Let's see if any of these sources match the description of "An event is presumed to be notable if it has lasting major consequences or affects a major geographical scope, or receives significant non-routine coverage that persists over a period of time. Coverage should be in multiple reliable sources with national or global scope." per WP:EVENT.

Source	Independent?	Reliable?	Significant coverage?	Count source toward GNG?
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https://www.mcall.com/2016/10/14/frank-fischl-decorated-air-force-pilot-and-former-allentown-mayor-dies-at-89/	~		Local obituary, mentions the election for a single sentence	✘ No
https://www.newspapers.com/newspage/284052961/	~		WP:ROUTINE mill coverage about a TV program/debate	✘ No
https://www.newspapers.com/newspage/280057542/	~	?	WP:PRIMARY	✘ No
https://www.upi.com/Archives/1981/08/12/Political-contribution-from-the-grave/1905366436800/			No coverage at all? The citation says "Daddona's unsuccessful 1969 campaign", not 1977. Either way, its barely lasting coverage, just an offhand sentence in a UPI article.	✘ No
https://www.mcall.com/2004/12/12/whatever-became-of-former-allentown-mayor-frank-fischl/			Scope of the coverage of the election in the article is "Fischl beat out incumbent Joe Daddona. Daddona later succeeded Fischl, who didn’t seek a second term.". While it is lasting, this is not significant.	✘ No
https://www.newspapers.com/newspage/283995190/			NOT ABOUT THE ELECTION, BUT ABOUT FISCH DECLINING TO RERUN	✘ No
This table may not be a final or consensus view; it may summarize developing consensus, or reflect assessments of a single editor. Created using {{source assess table}}.

If deletion seems too much, I propose two alternatives:

Merge all the Allentown mayoral election articles for future maintainability and navigability
(which is better in my opinion). Redirect to Frank Fischl, which most of the coverage seems to be on.

Before I end, a quick note to administrators and voters: please remember to use actual Wikipedia policy instead of using or endorsing arguments like "I like Pennsylvania history, so this must be important" or "this is useful information". These are both arguments to avoid in deletion discussions. Wikipedia is not a database, or an indiscriminate collection of information. I am limiting this to one article at a time to avoid a trainwreck nomination. -1ctinus📝🗨 19:05, 29 July 2024 (UTC)

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Oppose on precedent you can't just delete one of the Allentown elections. you'd have to delete all of them. Scu ba (talk) 03:26, 30 July 2024 (UTC)
I’m trying to avoid a WP:TRAINWRECK and a procedural close. This happened previously -1ctinus📝🗨 04:03, 30 July 2024 (UTC)
Still doesn't change the fact that as an Allentown election, it is notable enough to warrant a page. You'd have to challenge Allentown, the third largest city in Pennsylvania, as not being notable enough to have it's election pages exist. Scu ba (talk) 00:15, 31 July 2024 (UTC)

@Scu ba: I don't agree with that at all. It is appropriate to evaluate each election article on its own merits. AusLondonder (talk) 15:04, 30 July 2024 (UTC)
regardless of it's current citations, Allentown is the third largest city in Pennslyvania and as due to this it's elections are notable enough to warrant a page. should we go and delete the 2009, 1997, 1993 or really any pre 21st century buffalo election pages? Deleting election pages for major municipalities breaks precedent. Scu ba (talk) 00:14, 31 July 2024 (UTC)
I listed articles that clearly show that there is no precedent for municipal elections to be inherently notable in the top. -1ctinus📝🗨 00:19, 31 July 2024 (UTC)
The elections you listed where for minor cities, such as Fontana, California, which is the 21st largest city in California. Allentown is the 3rd largest city in Pennslyvania. There is no consensus that minor towns elections are notable enough, however, major cities warrant their elections having pages. Scu ba (talk) 00:44, 31 July 2024 (UTC)
Fontana CA is still a larger town than Allentown by over 90,000 residents. -1ctinus📝🗨 01:03, 31 July 2024 (UTC)

(and the answer for the Buffalo elections is they probably aren’t notable if they lack significant coverage.) -1ctinus📝🗨 00:35, 31 July 2024 (UTC)
No. they're notable because they're elections in Buffalo, the 2nd largest city in NY. Scu ba (talk) 00:44, 31 July 2024 (UTC)
Which policy states that an election is notable automatically because it’s a large city? There is none to my knowledge. -1ctinus📝🗨 01:02, 31 July 2024 (UTC)
No jurisdiction gets a free pass from notability requirements. AusLondonder (talk) 15:50, 6 August 2024 (UTC)

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Delete local level election which received no clear coverage from outside its local area. SportingFlyer T·C 17:47, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

Writesonic

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Renomination: It does not meet WP:NCORP. Most sources here are native advertisement with only a few exceptions, which are passing mentions and not in-depth coverage. StrongDeterrence (talk) 06:15, 31 July 2024 (UTC)

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Comment I find articles that are about the software, but not the company: Writesonic at AI-scale-up, Writesonic Review. Both of those are quite long. Could this article be changed to be more about the software rather than the company? If so, I think it could be properly sourced. Lamona (talk) 00:14, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

Medwyn Goodall

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This appears to be a vanity page for a musician. While his body of work is extensive, I cannot find any substantial online coverage of him to fulfill WP:BASIC or WP:MUSICBIO. The second reference states that he has topped the UK music charts twice, but this appears to be a fanzine of questionable reliability and I can't find any mention of him at the official chart website. ~dom Kaos~ (talk) 08:32, 30 July 2024 (UTC)

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Comment I've searched the official charts database, and I agree with the nominator, I am unable to find evidence of charting (though potentially it could be so far back in time to not be available online), including under his alternate name. However - there is a WP:RSMUSIC Allmusic staff bio available, which is both non-trivial coverage and confirms gold-certification. Potentially with more verification and coverage this may be a keep. ResonantDis_tortion 13:28, 30 July 2024 (UTC)

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Found this Billboard mention that one of his records sold 50,000 copies here, imv Atlantic306 (talk) 21:42, 8 August 2024 (UTC)

HELLO ALL - I am the ARTIST - COMPOSER/recording artist. This page looks as though it was originally created by fans. However I do ask it is NOT deleted WHY >> I am an international award winning artist (instrumental music) 6 gold disc, 1 platinumn and a life achievement award, at least 4 million fans international. I also own a record label managing other artists. A 33yr career. My own radio show also. UK based. Numerous hits. Career is still ongoing. Instrumental music doesnt tend to be found in charts or have the hype of pop music so whilst I am not as trackable you will find me all over itunes, spotify, Amazon, Facebook, youtube, google, as one of the most famous artists of my genre Medwyngoodall (talk) 19:40, 9 August 2024 (UTC)

These are the notability guidelines Wikipedia follows for keeping articles on musicians: WP:MUSICBIO. We need reliable sources (WP:RS) to show the article subject meets the criteria. At present it's unlikely there are enough sources, so if you can provide such references that would significantly help. (Note I have been unable to verify the Gold certifications via the British Phonographic Industry website, so help on that would also be useful). ResonantDis_tortion 07:04, 10 August 2024 (UTC)

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Leaning towards Delete per nom. Not much of a coverage Warm Regards, Miminity (talk) (contribs) 11:32, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

Jasën Blu

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Nothing in this article makes the subject inherently notable, literally. Fails WP:NMUSICIAN or WP:GNG. The sources are run of the mill coverages and PRs for singles and so on. The few others that aren't PRs are promotional puff pieces. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 16:09, 30 July 2024 (UTC)

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While @Vanderwaalforces is correct about the status of this article's subject specifically regarding WP:NMUSICIAN, it does seem to fair slightly better by WP:GNG given a number of the citations point back to reliable sources such as major publications. Also, the subject appears to be an up and coming musical act with not very much but nonetheless, a number of verifiable articles citing solo works and in a few more cases, co-citations with notable subjects via creative associations. On a recent edit to this article, I noticed a few bigger publications confirmed hitherto unverified sections, and replaced the citations on the affected section. If the subject is essentially an upcoming musical act gaining decent coverage for its works, a better alternative might be to watch article for a while for any improvement on its adherence to WP:NMUSICIAN, before an outright deletion. Kevtutado (talk) 01:47, 7 August 2024 (UTC)

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Weak Keep the sources are not ideal but they help to represent some basic notable information about the musician.--NiftyyyNofteeeee (talk) 10:59, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

Coronation Park (Sunyani, Ghana)

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Fails GNG, no inline refs or citations, but contains content that can be mergeable into another article. Intrisit (talk) 20:40, 31 July 2024 (UTC)

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If it is mergable, then the content should be merged into the other article and then redirected to the merged article. ~ GB fan 18:39, 1 August 2024 (UTC)

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Martha Mbugua

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No satisfactory sources in the article, and a quick search didn't find any. Note: this was prompted by a request at the help desk on behalf of the subject. ColinFine (talk) 18:03, 31 July 2024 (UTC)

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Also found this in the help desk, for me personally, I suggest keeping the article, my reason is because she co-founded (is that correct?) the biggest law firm in Kenya, and is one of the top 40 most popular women from Kenya.

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Sorry, sources 2, 3, 5, 6, 7, 8, and 9 are the sources which prompt me to give the "keep" reply. She does not seem notable outside the business, I'll give you that, but being one of the top 40 women from a country is enough for me.🍗TheNuggeteer🍗 05:46, 1 August 2024 (UTC)

@TheNuggeteer, please read what Wikipedia means by notable. 2 and 6 do not mention her. 3 and 7 (which are the same source) has a potted biography, but is mostly quoting her. 5 gives me a 404, but judging by its title, I would be amazed if it had significant coverage of her. 8 and 9 give potted biographies, but are almost certainly not independent.

Sources used to establish notability need to meet all three criteria in WP:42. ColinFine (talk) 15:38, 1 August 2024 (UTC)

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My comments only: Firstly, several of the sources are actually the same. Secondly, appearing in a list of “40 under 40” is not the same thing as “one of the 40 most popular women.” Finally, we need to decide whether being a partner in Dentons, by far the largest law firm in the World, creates a legal notability by itself. This discussion might have to go more than a few days. In the meantime, please ping me if you find additional sources. Bearian (talk) 08:50, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

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Anguilla at the 2014 Commonwealth Games

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Lacking in-depth secondary source coverage. Unnecessary fork. Many of these articles have already been deleted, see AfD at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Dominica at the 2010 Commonwealth Games. AusLondonder (talk) 14:23, 30 July 2024 (UTC)

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Keep Article is sourced. The previous discussion (which I started) were articles that only stated the country competed, with no other information. Those should be deleted. Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 14:30, 30 July 2024 (UTC)
Three primary sources? AusLondonder (talk) 14:36, 30 July 2024 (UTC)
I think you need to review what primary sources are. Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 14:41, 30 July 2024 (UTC)
Here are other sources and the nominator clearly did not do a WP:BEFORE. These all mention Anguilla's appearance at the games. Together it should be just enough to pass WP:GNG.
[7], [8], [9], [10] and [11], [12] Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 14:30, 30 July 2024 (UTC)
Strong merge to Anguilla at the Commonwealth Games. A bad idea for a standalone article, in that the potential for growth is limited. Geschichte (talk) 17:55, 30 July 2024 (UTC)
As a WP:ATD, Id agree (especially for the smaller CGAs) Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 00:52, 31 July 2024 (UTC)

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St. Joseph's Senior Secondary School, Kanpur

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Fails WP:NSCHOOL. The 1 source provided merely confirms someone attended this school. LibStar (talk) 01:55, 1 August 2024 (UTC)

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Delete Fails WP:NSCHOOL.--Ciudatul (talk) 11:21, 8 August 2024 (UTC)

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Daaru Salaam University

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Fails WP:GNG, WP:NORG. All sources from it's own website. Cabrils (talk) 04:36, 1 August 2024 (UTC)

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Delete not notable private university with lack of reliable sources. BoraVoro (talk) 11:22, 14 August 2024 (UTC)

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Klover

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I'm not completely sure that this band is notable. I was able to find a description of the band in Trouser Press, a brief review by Robert Christgau (!), a brief review by Visions [de], and an interview with a bit said about Klover. Edit: Wow, I didn't even notice that two of those are already linked in the article. toweli (talk) 00:22, 31 July 2024 (UTC)

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The sources uncovered by the WP:BEFORE are good. A bit slight for a standalone article. Therefore a slight ~~merge~~ to Gang Green#Second hiatus (1990–1995). There are a number of possible redirect targets; I chose this because of what Trouser Press wrote: "Klöver has roots in the mighty tradition of Boston’s Bud-guzzling skatepunks, Gang Green, in the persons of guitarist Chris Doherty and drummer Brian Betzger. [...] As of early ’96, however, Klöver had folded and Gang Green was back in action." Geschichte (talk) 08:19, 5 August 2024 (UTC)

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There are usually some reliable sources to be found for major label albums released before the early/mid-2000s, when both the print media and music businesses were healthier. There are mid-to-longish articles in The Morning Call, The Boston Globe, and Telegram & Gazette, with reviews in the Daily Herald and Daily Breeze. An entry in the Encyclopedia of Punk Music and Culture--can't read it, but I'm sure it's only a small paragraph or two... Caro7200 (talk) 23:45, 7 August 2024 (UTC)

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Keep per sources above. Seems like a decent article could be written here. An editorial merge decision could be done later if future people disagree. PARAKANYAA (talk) 23:56, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

Weak keep as to not err on the side of uncertaintly. I have no idea what the articles mentioned by Caro contain, though. Geschichte (talk) 08:33, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

Markku Helminen

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Fails WP:SPORTSCRIT, only primary sources supplied. A search in google news only comes up with third party sources of a namesake. LibStar (talk) 04:29, 1 August 2024 (UTC)

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Comments: LibStar: I'm no expert on speedway, so there might be something I'm missing, but could you explain your assessment that all the sources here are primary ones? A book like Who's Who of World Speedway and so on. /Julle (talk) 07:10, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
Comment There's bunch of brief mentions in older Finnish newspapers (accessed via National Archives of Finland's digital archive):

Helsingin Sanomat, 9 May 1975 - mentioned a few times in standard post-event coverage together with other participants.
Etelä-Suomen Sanomat, 31 May 1976 - same, a few passing mentions
Etelä-Suomen Sanomat, 22 January 1978 - elected as the chair of the Salpausselkä Motor Club, given some awards. Very short piece.
Etelä-Suomen Sanomat, 30 August 1976 - event coverage, wins bronze in Turku.
Etelä-Suomen Sanomat, 19 September 1974 - briefly mentioned as the "best driver in the series".

I didn't survey all the hits, but the best appears to be a profile/interview in Etelä-Suomen Sanomat on 1 September 1977 (link, requires a researcher account), a bit more than a quarter of a (broadsheet) page in size. Interestingly, it also features a (very cropped) image of an English language news story titled "Markku provides bright spot" by Ken Gaunt, apparently from either Speedway Mail or Leicester Mercury, both of which we are told have featured him.

Based on the coverage I have access to, I'm personally rather ambivalent. That said, if someone can actually find the English language coverage mentioned in the Finnish papers and verify they are of reasonable depth, I suspect this would lean towards keep for me. -Ljleppan (talk) 09:59, 7 August 2024 (UTC)

Keep. With the additional Finnish sources and the lack of explaination as to why Who's Who of World Speedway would count a as a primary source, I'm leaning towards keep. /Julle (talk) 17:25, 7 August 2024 (UTC)
Who's who of world speedway appears to be written by rider Ivan Mauger, as a rider he has a direct connection to the sport and may even know personally many of the riders covered in his book. From WP:PSTS: Primary sources are original materials that are close to an event, and are often accounts written by people who are directly involved. LibStar (talk) 03:42, 14 August 2024 (UTC)

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Jon Radoff

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Appears to fail WP:NBIO - while it does have a piece of significant coverage, the InfoWorld article, the others are just announcements and primary source interviews without substantive discussion. It does not pass WP:NARTIST either due to the fact he was just a co-developer or director of most games he made. When the article was first made it also failed NBIO and does not seem to have remedied that situation. There are a lot of minor mentions, but a lack of SIGCOV. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 05:36, 1 August 2024 (UTC)

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Delete per nom, still fails the If the depth of coverage in any given source is not substantial, then multiple independent sources may be combined to demonstrate notability; trivial coverage of a subject by secondary sources is not usually sufficient to establish notability. as most of them are primary and just trivial Warm Regards, Miminity (talk) (contribs) 05:51, 1 August 2024 (UTC)

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Comment: ComputerHope database entry. This appears to be a follow up from Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Beamable, note that gamerDNA, founded by Radoff, also has an article.. IgelRM (talk) 21:23, 1 August 2024 (UTC)

When you add this Ars Technica article, combined with PC Gamer and Boston Globe articles, I do think GuildCafe/GamerDNA passes WP:NCORP, so I will not be nominating it for deletion. Though I can't say the same for its creator yet. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 21:30, 1 August 2024 (UTC)

But the Ars article heavily quotes Radoff, so I think WP:ATD would be feasible again. Not going by guidelines briefly, GamerDNA appeared to exist from 2006 to 2011(?), while Radoff had a career from 1992 to now. IgelRM (talk) 00:22, 3 August 2024 (UTC)

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Sorry, I think keep the article if we use the sources from GamerDNA and Disruptor Beam and maybe merge GamerDNA here. Sources for Disruptor: gamesindustry.biz, gamedaily.biz, pocketgamer.biz IgelRM (talk) 17:15, 8 August 2024 (UTC)

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Pakri pakohi

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I couldn't find sources to show this meets WP:NPLACE / WP:GNG. Boleyn (talk) 21:53, 31 July 2024 (UTC)

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Keep. Listed as a panchayat under the name of Pakari Pakohi, so satisfies WP:GEOLAND. -- Necrothesp (talk) 10:46, 1 August 2024 (UTC)

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Keep: since it is officially recognized as a panchyat. Eastmain (talk • contribs) 05:13, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

Darby Lloyd Rains

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16 years ago when this was first nominated it was allowed on a technical sng pass and someone noted it needed sourcing. Well 16 years later it's entirely bereft of a reliable source and pornbio has been consigned to the ranks of deprecated guidelines. Fails gng and ent. Spartaz ^Humbug! 18:36, 30 July 2024 (UTC)

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Keep: Meets WP:NACTOR with at least three significant roles in notable films. -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 19:14, 31 July 2024 (UTC) (Added a few sources, more sources exist).
Can you list the films and roles please

And the sources added? Ta Spartaz ^Humbug! 00:53, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
Please read the page, check page history and the link "edits since nomination" on this page. Thank you. -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 08:19, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
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Delete: Per nom. M S Hassan (talk | contributions) 09:18, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
Except the nom's concerns have been addressed. -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 11:09, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
He obviously disagrees with your assertion. You stated she had 3 significant roles in notable films. What were they? The Wp:onus is on you to show what they are here. Spartaz ^Humbug! 07:37, 6 August 2024 (UTC)
’Obviously’? So the page still has no source? OK. I will assume good faith then. As for the rest of your comment, unless you are joking (it’s rather funny), I will assume good faith too: again, just read the page. You need to click on the title of the article on top of this page. I’m not going to copy paste the whole page here. And, by the way, what did you find during your BEFORE? Also, during the 1st AfD, the page was not ’allowed on technical sng pass’ but with a reference to (ANY)BIO (no technical mention of PORNBIO) and with a mention of ’definitely some claims to notability’. -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 09:04, 6 August 2024 (UTC)
Additional comment: Lloyd Rains also clearly meets the requirements for the notability of actors for another reason: her prolific and noted contributions to the field; and probably passes the threshold for general notability requirements given the amount of ’’multiple independent sources" mentioning her importance in the said field, her roles and performances..-My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 09:21, 6 August 2024 (UTC)

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Reply to relist aside: Yes, we certainly are. Especially in the Golden Age of Porn and with directors and artists that had such a strong and honest conviction they were playing an important part in the underground culture of their time and in the history of film. Various films with Lloyd Rains are genre films (horror, thriller, etc) that go far beyond what could be described as "porn" in a derogative way. And various sources, some used as references in the article (you will note that I used no sources from inside the "adult industry" and they include extremely notable and reliable film magazines and scholarship) about her films and performance do indeed mention that point, some in awe at the quality of the productions and at Lloyd Rains's abilities as an actress (one review finds her acting "insufferable", though; and that's not my opinion, which does not count and has nothing to do with my !vote and reply). Now, one might disagree and consider the result has no value, is immoral, tasteless, shocking, silly and trash, and not like it. But it's definitely a "field" in my opinion and her contributions to it were clearly prolific, and noted. -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 19:59, 6 August 2024 (UTC)

Aside: I was not even thinking about "porn" when I wrote my additional comment (but about film in general). But, yes, I do think "pornography" is a field. -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 20:15, 6 August 2024 (UTC)

Well, I'll close this discussion according to policy and consensus despite my own view of this "profession". Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 21:09, 6 August 2024 (UTC)

I never doubted you would. Thanks. -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 21:11, 6 August 2024 (UTC)

You know that none of what you said relates to any policy and your assertion of special treatment of porn is belied by the depreciation of pornbio Spartaz ^Humbug! 10:22, 7 August 2024 (UTC)

What are you even talking about? I don’t understand it but I do feel the tone and implication of your comment are rather not nice. -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 20:06, 7 August 2024 (UTC)

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Delete per nom. Lacks significant coverage in reliable sources. I have spent too much of my volunteer time checking much of the article's supposed references, and they are just a WP:REFBOMB of trivial mentions and unreliable sources that do not meet WP:GNG. Elspea756 (talk) 13:44, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
Comment: Curious to know which sources precisely can be deemed "unreliable", except IAFD, which I didn't add myself ~~and that can be removed (feel free);~~ and the source for her role in "This film is all about..." (which I (had) tagged myself as poor, in the hope that an expert or any other user could add a better one, the film being by Damiano) (NB- I just removed both references). "supposed references" is also an interesting choice of words (are they not real? are they fake? Did I make anything up? are there not there?); and how much is "much" of 41 footnotes? 12, 38? As for WP:REFBOMB, well, I did my best to source every statement and role in the partial filmography (more exists) and I don't think (such was not my intent, at least) that any of the references is used in any of the 4 ways mentioned in that essay. WP:NACTOR, on the other hand, is a guideline, and would seem the applicable guideline, and it states, "This guideline applies to actors, voice actors, comedians, opinion makers, pornographic actors, models, and celebrities. Such a person may be considered notable if:The person has had significant roles in multiple notable films, television shows, stage performances, or other productions; or The person has made unique, prolific or innovative contributions to a field of entertainment." (the field of entertainment being cinema/acting) Is it not the case and are the coverage and mention/appraisal of her roles in the reviews of her most notable films, for example, not sufficient to prove it? -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 01:58, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
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Hynek Štichauer

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Fails WP:SPORTSCRIT. Only primary sources provided. Google news yields zero. LibStar (talk) 00:58, 1 August 2024 (UTC)

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Keep Member of the Czech team that rode in the 2023 World Cup (the pinnacle of speedway alongside the Grand Prix), has also ridden in the highest possible league of speedway in Britain (equivalent to the football Premier league). Pyeongchang (talk) 11:29, 1 August 2024 (UTC)

P.S. I have added multiple non primary sources to article.

Delete. Of the non-stats refs, this is a routine transactional interview with a team promoter (primary, non-independent)

; this is a routine transactional interview with a club owner

; this is a brief transactional press release; and this is a passing mention in an injury update. Nowhere close to SIGCOV in IRS. JoelleJay (talk) 23:09, 1 August 2024 (UTC)

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Tuleap

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I note the two prior AfDs. I also note the banner at the head containing multiple flags for improvements not addressed since September 2018. I suggest that they have not been addressed because they cannot be addressed. Fails WP:GNG, is improperly sourced, and is WP:ADMASQ. 🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 21:50, 31 July 2024 (UTC)

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@Timtrent What do you have to say for Stephen Schulz's argument towards keeping? Aaron Liu (talk) 18:42, 9 August 2024 (UTC)

Nothing whatsoever. If you wish to make that argument in this discussion please make it. 🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 21:10, 9 August 2024 (UTC)

Keep then. It has been brought up before that many sources such as Infoworld, LinuxFR, Silicon, a lot of stuff from Opensource.com, etc confer notability. Aaron Liu (talk) 00:24, 10 August 2024 (UTC)

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Weak Keep I removed the links to Tuleap's own web site and slide decks. There is the one long article in opensource.com which is, however, an interview with one of the founders. This article has a decently long section on the software. And it has been listed as a "top X" software package. I think we need at least one more substantial article to make this a solid "keep". And ideally it shouldn't be from opensource.com because we already have that as a source many times. Lamona (talk) 04:28, 17 August 2024 (UTC)