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Recent RD3 removals

With regard to your recent RD3 removals, there is one more in the blocked user's contributions that should be RD3 as well. Can you hit it too? Thanks! --Tgeairn (talk) 03:03, 3 August 2012 (UTC)

Aha, so there is. I think it's all been thrown in the trash pile where it belongs now. If I've missed something please ping me again. --Jezebel'sPonyo^{bons mots} 03:08, 3 August 2012 (UTC)

Unfortunately, he's back as User:Jaykool2012. All those edits prob need too. Cheers! --Tgeairn (talk) 03:11, 3 August 2012 (UTC)

Since Adinrezai, Swill12, Fayadakya, Tamarathorn, Adbelati687, and Jaykool2012 were all created on 6 November 2011, is there any possibility of investigating further to pre-empt the disruption? Thanks, Meph^talk 03:15, 3 August 2012 (UTC).

Now back as User:SMLTomason... Whack-a-Mole --Tgeairn (talk) 03:24, 3 August 2012 (UTC)

It may unfortunately be a case of whack-a-mole and WP:DENY. Another CU is checking in to it as well. --Jezebel'sPonyo^{bons mots} 03:26, 3 August 2012 (UTC)

User:Itemplus --Tgeairn (talk) 03:33, 3 August 2012 (UTC)

Thanks, there are many eyes on this now. Jezebel'sPonyo^{bons mots} 03:46, 3 August 2012 (UTC)

Yep, I see. I'll stop noting them here... Looks like enough firepower now. --Tgeairn (talk) 03:51, 3 August 2012 (UTC)

Redirect question (moved from unrelated section above)

Please explain Further why you reverted my work on the page for "jessica ghawi" because of WP:BLP1E thanks! Fox2k11 (talk) 11:59, 3 August 2012 (UTC)

WP:CRIME would have been a better link, but the principles are the same. We generally do not create articles on the victims of crime when they are only known for their role in that single event and do not meet Wikipedia's notability criteria outside of the event. Specifically;

"A person who is notable only for being the victim of or committing a crime or crimes should not normally be the subject of a separate Wikipedia article if there are any existing articles that do or could incorporate the available encyclopaedic material relating to that person."

According to these guidelines the appropriate venue for any sourced information regarding Jessica Ghawi belongs on the article regarding the event. The redirect was in place previously and I simply restored it to that state to remain within the guidelines. If you believe that Ghawi's case should be an exception to the regular practice of WP:CRIME, then I suggest starting a discussion on the talk page to get additional input from other editors. This would be inline with our bold, revert, discuss procedures. --Jezebel'sPonyo^{bons mots} 15:10, 3 August 2012 (UTC)

Thank you for explaining it further now I`m able to understand it better and sorry for putting it in the wrong place =)

Jessica Ghawi is not only known because she is a Victim of the aurora Shoooting she also escaped the Troronto eaton center shooting In june 2012 she is not unknown to the public her "story" was picked up worldwide among others because her story is some sort one of a kind I started to create the articel because Rachel scott Victim of the 1999 Columbine shooting has her own Wikipedia Article as well and I believe we have a similar case here as well if you Google for Jessica Ghawi (or redfield) and see how much results you get she is widely known in the media business as far as i can say she was also widely known in the twitter world as an aspiring sportsbroadcaster / blogger

I also like to mention that she became the first Named Victim of the 2012 aurora shoooting and the media called her "the face" of the Victims because her story was some sort of "one of a kind"

I don`t know if this enough to explain my intention why i started to create the Article?!

I believe WP:BLP1E does not fit here and she might be an excemption of WP:CRIME but I`m open for corrections!

Thanks Fox2k11 (talk) 16:14, 3 August 2012 (UTC)

You may have some valid points that merit further discussion. My best suggestion is to outline your argument for a separate article on the talk page. In order to attract additional editors to the discussion you could post a note at a related Wikiproject or noticeboard such as Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Crime and Criminal Biography or Wikipedia:Notability/Noticeboard. Through discussion you should be able to get consensus that either the material is best merged in to the article on the event, or that this is a special circumstance wherein the victim merits a stand alone article. Good luck! Jezebel'sPonyo^{bons mots} 16:30, 3 August 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for The hints with talk page you mean the Talkpage of the aurora 2012 Shooting?

Fox2k11 (talk) 18:40, 3 August 2012 (UTC)

I think the talk page of the redirect would be better, but leaving a message at Talk:2012 Aurora shooting advising the editors there of the discussion would be a good idea; you're likely to find interested editors there. Jezebel'sPonyo^{bons mots} 19:22, 3 August 2012 (UTC)

I started the Discussion on talk page of the redirect and leaved a note on Talk:2012 Aurora shooting we'll se how things go! thanks for your help =) Fox2k11 (talk) 20:21, 3 August 2012 (UTC)

Page Triage newsletter

Hey all. Some quick but important updates on what we've been up to and what's coming up next :).

The curation toolbar, our Wikimedia-supported twinkle replacement. We're going to be deploying it, along with a pile of bugfixes, to wikipedia on 9 August. After a few days to check it doesn't make anything explode or die, we'll be sticking up a big notice and sending out an additional newsletter inviting people to test it out and give us feedback :). This will be followed by two office hours sessions - one on Tuesday the 14th of August at 19:00 UTC for all us Europeans, and one on Wednesday the 15th at 23:00 UTC for the East Coasters out there :). As always, these will be held in #wikimedia-office; drop me a note if you want to know how to easily get on IRC, or if you aren't able to attend but would like the logs.

I hope to see a lot of you there; it's going to be a big day for everyone involved, I think :). I'll have more notes after the deployment! Okeyes (WMF) (talk) 20:05, 3 August 2012 (UTC)

Rick Aviles

Ponyo, I have protected the page of Rick Aviles, because the same unregustered user has continued to add the same unfounded categories using different IPS, despite the explaination on the subjects talk page. This has been going on since 2009. I believe that it is unfair that the same "Sockpuppet" rules do not apply to unregistered users as they do to registered users. If you agree with me on this action, I hope that you back me up in the event that there are any complaints to the protection. 21:52, 5 August 2012 (UTC)

I'm sure there aren't likely to be any complaints, the long term disruption is evident by viewing the history. As a curious aside, do you receive many complaints that you don't sign your posts? --Jezebel'sPonyo^{bons mots} 17:03, 6 August 2012 (UTC)

• Hum, no. I always sign my posts. I must have overlooked it this time. It could be that I'm writing faster then usual because of the extreme heat of where I live that I forgot to sign. Tony the Marine (talk) 20:35, 6 August 2012 (UTC)

I feel for you and pass you an imaginary frosty beverage to help with the heat! --Jezebel'sPonyo^{bons mots} 01:11, 7 August 2012 (UTC)

Ancestry.com

Hi. Having previously been involved in a discussion about Ancestry.com on RSN, could you join a discussion here to offer your opinion on two points? The first point is that a user is saying that some of the material on that site is not from users, but paid employees. The second point concerns WP:BLPPRIMARY, which I think also has something to say on the use of that site. Thanks. Nightscream (talk) 09:38, 7 August 2012 (UTC)

Reverting edits from 81.130.202.91

Hello. I noticed that IP address 81.130.202.91 had made some edits to several pages about people, often changing date-of-birth to seemingly random values. I saw you'd reverted some of them, but the one at Emily Pidgeon seems to actually have been correct (source). Some others are wrong and haven't been fixed yet. Do you have the time/inclination to review all this IP's recent edits and check against external sources? Or should I just fix up the ones I notice now? Myrmecophagavir (talk) 13:22, 7 August 2012 (UTC)

Unfortunately for the IP they have been found to introduce factual errors and have been completely mute as to where they are obtaining the information they use to change the content. Even though one or two of their edits may be correct, all of their edits must be treated with caution in order to ensure accuracy. I'm mid-move at the moment so I'm not editing much; if you do find any instances where you can confirm the data they added, please do restore the information along with the source. If I missed any of their unsourced changes then feel free to pull the incorrect info from the article. Your help in fact-checking is certainly appreciated! --Jezebel'sPonyo^{bons mots} 15:08, 7 August 2012 (UTC)

OK, thanks. I've corrected the ones that were left inaccurate, with sources. No idea what that guy was up to, it must have taken ages to go through and add/change dates at random... Myrmecophagavir (talk) 16:59, 7 August 2012 (UTC)

Removal of sourced info from Phillip Buck

Hi Ponyo,

I noticed you removed Buck's birthdate and place from his article with this edit.[1] This information is actually sourced--see the footnote at the end of the paragraph [2]. It seems silly to conceal the public knowledge of Buck's name and birthplace--I found them in my first two minutes of Google searching--but if BLP PRIVACY demands it, I suppose we can pull the info. At the very least, though, surely we can leave in that he's North Korean by birth? Khazar2 (talk) 16:43, 7 August 2012 (UTC)

Re-reading WP:BLPPRIVACY, it appears to allow for birth year to remain. (It's helpful in any case just to get a sense of a person's age). Is it all right to restore at least this? Khazar2 (talk) 16:45, 7 August 2012 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) Ponyo removed it because of a request on OTRS to remove it because of WP: BLPPRIVACY concerns. Best, Electric Catfish 22:08, 7 August 2012 (UTC).

• There were privacy concerns raised via OTRS, so we need to be as conservative as possible with regard to the concerns. If there are solid reliable sources for the year and place of birth than please do restore it along with the citation. The exact date of birth doesn't need to be included. You did a great job sourcing and fleshing out this article, I hope you don't see the separate OTRS issue as a criticism in any way! --Jezebel'sPonyo^{bons mots} 22:24, 7 August 2012 (UTC)

Thanks. I restored birthyear and birthplace, left out real name and birthdate. I remain a bit skeptical of the value of removing the rest--it's on the first page of Google results when you put in his name anyway--but since it's not essential I'm fine with erring on the side of caution. Cheers, Khazar2 (talk) 22:46, 7 August 2012 (UTC)

last change

these updated are accurate. why did the change go back to how it was originally? — Preceding unsigned comment added by SPUB2012 (talk • contribs) 01:53, 8 August 2012 (UTC)

For the same reasons I explained in my edit summary and on my talk page. The material you are adding is unsourced and promotional in tone which contradicts Wikipedia policies and guidelines. The use of multiple accounts to introduce disputed material is also not allowed. If you are at all affiliated with the subject please read our conflict of interest guidelines, but do not restore the unsourced material to the article or your account(s) will likely be blocked from editing.--Jezebel'sPonyo^{bons mots} 02:06, 8 August 2012 (UTC)

Hi Im a freelance publicist, working on this page. I seem to be having problems updating. I would like to get this done. I have corrected and put up the proper references in the code, and still its being reverted. Can you advise?

Thank You — Preceding unsigned comment added by SPUB2012 (talk • contribs) 04:32, 8 August 2012 (UTC)

If you are benefiting financially for editing Manish Dayal then you need to read this page ASAP. It is nearly impossible to remain impartial in editing when you have a stake in the outcome. Also, how many accounts have you created? --Jezebel'sPonyo^{bons mots} 17:13, 8 August 2012 (UTC)

Questions

I have a question do you change back the test? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.237.194.83 (talk) 16:08, 9 August 2012 (UTC)

I'm not sure I know what you mean. If you are asking why I undid this edit it's because you added a link to an image that does not exist, added a birthdate and changed her nationality without a reliable source, and changed the names of characters and a movie to add incorrect information. I gave you the benefit of the doubt that these were test edits which is why I left you the message on your IP talk page. --Jezebel'sPonyo^{bons mots} 16:21, 9 August 2012 (UTC)

Disruptive user

Hi Ponyo, I'm wondering if you could put a block on a disruptive IP who has been linking common words for months, ignoring all warnings. Help welcome. Thanks Span (talk) 13:32, 10 August 2012 (UTC)

I've left them a non-templated explanation/warning. Hopefully that will help, if not drop me a note and we can go from there. --Jezebel'sPonyo^{bons mots} 20:26, 10 August 2012 (UTC)

Great. Thanks Span (talk) 20:39, 10 August 2012 (UTC)

Hi, the IP is still paying no attention. Thanks Span (talk) 11:53, 13 August 2012 (UTC)

Unfortunately I can't say that I'm surprised; I've blocked the IP for a week. --Jezebel'sPonyo^{bons mots} 01:23, 17 August 2012 (UTC)

Thanks Span (talk) 11:51, 17 August 2012 (UTC)

New Pages newsletter

Hey all :)

A couple of new things.

First, you'll note that all the project titles have now changed to the Page Curation prefix, rather than having the New Pages Feed prefix. This is because the overarching project name has changed to Page Curation; the feed is still known as New Pages Feed, and the Curation Toolbar is still the Curation Toolbar. Hopefully this will be the last namechange ;p.

On the subject of the Curation Toolbar (nice segue, Oliver!) - it's now deployed on Wikipedia. Just open up any article in the New Pages Feed and it should appear on the right. It's still a beta version - bugs are expected - and we've got a lot more work to do. But if you see something going wrong, or a feature missing, drop me a note or post on the project talkpage and I'll be happy to help :). We'll be holding two office hours sessions to discuss the tool and improvements to it; the first is at 19:00 UTC on 14 August, and the second at 23:00 on the 15th. Both will be in #wikimedia-office as always. Thanks! Okeyes (WMF) (talk) 15:15, 10 August 2012 (UTC)

The inevitable return

Our Burton-on-Trent has returned as this IP 2.222.145.217 (talk · contribs) I hope that the move is going well and not causing too much stress. MarnetteD | Talk 23:49, 12 August 2012 (UTC)

Now editing from this IP 90.200.85.84 (talk · contribs) MarnetteD | Talk 17:36, 15 August 2012 (UTC)

Moving is a nightmare, no matter how prepared you think you are there's always last minute panic that everything will not be done in time. I blocked the 2.222.145 address and Elockid got the other one. Cheers, --Jezebel'sPonyo^{bons mots} 01:14, 17 August 2012 (UTC)

Thank you

Thanks so much for blocking Boulifoumaine (talk · contribs) I was in the process of reporting his disruptive edits to WP:BLPs on ANI, I didn't know he was already blocked under another account. --Tachfin (talk) 04:55, 17 August 2012 (UTC)

I've been tracking them for a while - as with many socks with a set mission they aren't exactly sneaky. If you see anything suspicious along the lines of the contribs of User:TOUHLI or User:POOOL, just drop me a note and I can take a look (I will be offline starting today, back around the 29th). --Jezebel'sPonyo^{bons mots} 14:37, 23 August 2012 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Tireless Contributor Barnstar
	For Quality work on the Quality queue SPhilbrick(Talk) 12:20, 17 August 2012 (UTC)

Thank you! Hopefully we can keep it around the current level for the foreseeable future :) --Jezebel'sPonyo^{bons mots} 14:33, 23 August 2012 (UTC)

B-o-T

The newest Burton on Trent IP has appeared here 90.200.85.223 (talk · contribs). I wonder how many days/months/years it will be before this person gets it :( MarnetteD | Talk 14:39, 24 August 2012 (UTC)

Update. Reaper Eternal got the specific IP and Berean Hunter performed a range block so we may have a few days rest. Have a great weekend. MarnetteD | Talk 15:45, 24 August 2012 (UTC)

Tha Crowsnest

Hey Ponyo. Hope summer's treating you well. I'm finally done my firefighting season, and moving back coastwards. So I'll miss you in the Crowsnest. I also failed in getting Resolute his photos of Frank Slide, you should step up if you have time! Best to you, The Interior (Talk) 17:35, 29 August 2012 (UTC)

I'm back from the Pass and home on the coast now as well...photoless unfortunately :( We did get to take in the parade and rodeo in Pincher Creek though! --Jezebel'sPonyo^{bons mots} 17:09, 31 August 2012 (UTC)

Yeah, cowboy culture is alive and well in southern Berta, that's for sure! Glad to hear you had a good trip. I'll go tell Resolute what failures we are. The Interior (Talk) 18:18, 1 September 2012 (UTC)

I have family in the area, so there's still a chance I can get something useable uploaded (fingers crossed). I think I have some ok shots of the windmills near Pincher that could be used for Pincher Creek as well. I just need to get my feet under me after this whirlwind trip and move. --Jezebel'sPonyo^{bons mots} 18:30, 1 September 2012 (UTC)

TDKR Chicago 101

Hi Ponyo, I saw you blocked User talk:TDKR Chicago 101. I suspect these Chicago IPs are all also the same editor. [3], [4], [5], [6] and User talk:Disney22. Cheers. 22:45, 1 September 2012 (UTC)

This guy has been using multiple accounts and a revolving door of IPs for the same disruption for ages - the best we can do is try to catch them early and nail them down. I'm sure you're aware of their "tells", so if you see them pop up anywhere just let me know. --Jezebel'sPonyo^{bons mots} 22:53, 1 September 2012 (UTC)

Is there an action to take on these accounts? Thanks Span (talk) 20:29, 4 September 2012 (UTC)

I blocked the Disney22 account, but it appears to have been abandoned. Are there other accounts you are aware of? --Jezebel'sPonyo^{bons mots} 15:37, 5 September 2012 (UTC)

Baio

I forgot to add the source - if you look at the IMDB page of any of them, Scott, Jimmy, Joey and Steven their relationships are given. It seemed odd to me that they were not in the article 86.144.25.248 (talk) 00:09, 2 September 2012 (UTC)

Unfortunately IMDB cannot be used as a source for biographical info (you can read more about this here and here). We also generally do not include the names of family members that are not independently notable by Wikipedia standards (this is covered under WP:BLPNAME). If you have any questions regarding the links I included here, please let me know and I will be happy to clarify further. --Jezebel'sPonyo^{bons mots} 00:14, 2 September 2012 (UTC)

A kitten for you!

Absolutely loved your deletion rationale:

13:07, September 3, 2012 Ponyo (talk | contribs) deleted page Lady Mother (created to troll)

Day has been made. :)

Theopolisme 18:14, 3 September 2012 (UTC)

Sometimes it makes more sense to just cut to the chase. Thanks for the kitten! --Jezebel'sPonyo^{bons mots} 18:16, 3 September 2012 (UTC)

The Olive Branch: A Dispute Resolution Newsletter (Issue #1)

Welcome to the first edition of The Olive Branch. This will be a place to semi-regularly update editors active in dispute resolution (DR) about some of the most important issues, advances, and challenges in the area. You were delivered this update because you are active in DR, but if you would prefer not to receive any future mailing, just add your name to this page.

Steven Zhang's Fellowship Slideshow

In this issue:

• Background: A brief overview of the DR ecosystem.
• Research: The most recent DR data
• Survey results: Highlights from Steven Zhang's April 2012 survey
• Activity analysis: Where DR happened, broken down by the top DR forums
• DR Noticeboard comparison: How the newest DR forum has progressed between May and August
• Discussion update: Checking up on the Wikiquette Assistance close debate
• Proposal: It's time to close the Geopolitical, ethnic, and religious conflicts noticeboard. Agree or disagree?

Read the entire first edition of The Olive Branch -->

--The Olive Branch 19:23, 4 September 2012 (UTC)

Ajai Sanders

Regarding this diff: where does 1974 come from? (Sorry if this seems random; I'm watching User:J Irvington's page, and saw your comment there.) Zagalejo^^^ 04:58, 6 September 2012 (UTC)

I simply restored it to the stable version prior to the IMDB-sourced change. If there is any doubt that the 1974 date is accurate the birthdate should be removed altogether until a reliable source can be found for confirmation. --Jezebel'sPonyo^{bons mots} 14:49, 6 September 2012 (UTC)

I just removed 1974. It was never sourced, and I don't immediately see anything to support it - just a lot of mirrors, and other sites that are probably using Wikipedia as their source. Zagalejo^^^ 19:48, 6 September 2012 (UTC)

Good move. I'll poke around LexisNexis and see if I can find anything definitive. --Jezebel'sPonyo^{bons mots} 19:59, 6 September 2012 (UTC)

Re: BLP categories

Thanks for notification, added sources to articles. Dudek1337 (talk) 20:36, 7 September 2012 (UTC)

Cheers for adding the reference! --Jezebel'sPonyo^{bons mots} 21:04, 7 September 2012 (UTC)

FYI

Hi P. Thanks for blocking the latest appearance of our Burton-on-Trent IP hopper earlier today. I wanted to let you know that I have started this page User:MarnetteD/Burton-on-Trent Vandal to track them so feel free to add to it if you want to. Thanks again and have a great weekend. MarnetteD | Talk 20:53, 7 September 2012 (UTC)

Happy to help. --Jezebel'sPonyo^{bons mots} 21:04, 7 September 2012 (UTC)

(On a similar note ...) 65.126.157.59 (talk · contribs) has been disruptively editing BLP categories on-and-off for the last several weeks, following a recent one-month block. The latest target seems to be actors of alleged Scandinavian descent. SuperMarioMan 01:07, 8 September 2012 (UTC)

Ah yes, the never ending parade of IP-hopping BLPCAT offenders. I've blocked it for 3 months as it is obviously stable and continues to be used for disruption. --Jezebel'sPonyo^{bons mots} 03:27, 8 September 2012 (UTC)

Active in the last 24 hours: 24.164.190.130 (talk · contribs) (previously blocked for two weeks) and a brand-new player, 50.48.36.42 (talk · contribs). I've recently been compiling a list of all IP addresses that (to my knowledge) have been involved in this long-term abuse – it currently stands at nearly 100 entries. I'll see about posting them to User:Jim1138/24.164.190.130 BLP issue. SuperMarioMan 20:30, 15 September 2012 (UTC)

User:Technoquat

Doing a little cleaning up around the office, found Category:Wikipedia sockpuppets of Technoquat but no SPI. User:DeltaQuad has a thread on it on his talk page, possible overlap with [7]. Dennis Brown - 2¢ © Join WER 01:04, 9 September 2012 (UTC)

I stumbled upon the sockfarm during a CU independent of any open SPI case. I tagged the socks in hopes to keep track of them, however if someone does want to open an SPI I'll be happy to add my findings there. --Jezebel'sPonyo^{bons mots} 01:08, 9 September 2012 (UTC)

One of the socks, User:RouteLeader, posted to the help desk about adult diapers in [8] before making abusive posts elsewhere and getting blocked. Another new account User:Kijoorete-Bahnhof has now posted a photo of adult diapers to the help desk in [9]. It doesn't sound like a coincidence to me. Is this sufficient for CU? PrimeHunter (talk) 23:09, 9 September 2012 (UTC)

Ponyo, I think DQ wanted to discuss how it applied to another sock, it might be a bigger farm. And of course we want it as SPI, a sock farm that big will come back and we want to be able to match up the left and right sock. Usually, you can just ask a clerk to file and create the SPI report and close, preferably with a note from you but it isn't required. We just like the archive to match against later. Dennis Brown - 2¢ © Join WER 00:27, 10 September 2012 (UTC)

I understand why SPIs are preferable, but in this case it was a matter of locking down the disruption in short order. I added the tags to allow for easier tracking in the long run. As I mentioned previously, if anyone does start an SPI I'll be happy to add my notes there. Given my limited use of the checkuser tool while on AUSC I will likely not become fully involved in SPI activities until February. --Jezebel'sPonyo^{bons mots} 01:53, 10 September 2012 (UTC)

Page Curation update

Hey all :). We've just deployed another set of features for Page Curation. They include flyouts from the icons in Special:NewPagesFeed, showing who reviewed an article and when, a listing of this in the "info" flyout, and a general re-jigging of the info flyout - we've also fixed the weird bug with page_titles_having_underscores_instead_of_spaces in messages sent to talkpages, and introduced CSD logging! As always, these features will need some work - but any feedback would be most welcome.

Reply to your message regarding Scott Weidensaul article

Hello,

I got you message regarding the lack of citation for Scott Weidensaul's birth date (which I posted as "1959") I have no idea how to cite, but I got the information off of his official website and I also know him personally since I do research with him every fall. I will no longer edit his page since I feel as though it is too complicated to get into all of the coding related to creating a citation and other features of a Wikipedia page. I could add a picture and everything, but I do not have the time to figure out how to do all of that. I am sure someone else will pick up the stub. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.175.237.208 (talk) 00:39, 18 September 2012 (UTC)

Thank you for pointing out the reference! I have now added it to the article with an inline citation and updated some additional fields. I understand that the various templates, formatting, and guidelines can be confusing at first but people are always willing to help new editors; the help desk and Teahouse are great venues for new editors learning the ropes. --Jezebel'sPonyo^{bons mots} 02:00, 18 September 2012 (UTC)

Help!

It's regarding Steven Blum's Wiki Page. I'm not sure if I can prove this, but I'm suspecting that a bunch of sockpuppet IPs are making the same edits regarding his age because they keep doing the same age changing edits. I'm not sure what to do here and I need some insight. I just wanted to let you know about it because they don't seem to want to except the fact that he states his actual age in the reference. --Vaati the Wind Demon (talk) 01:29, 21 September 2012 (UTC)

I've protected the article for a week. There is obviously some IP-hopping going on to continue to blank the sourced info, so hopefully they will decide to actually discuss the matter on the talk page instead of repeatedly changing the reliably sourced date. --Jezebel'sPonyo^{bons mots} 01:35, 21 September 2012 (UTC)

I am in debt to you, thank you! --Vaati the Wind Demon (talk) 01:38, 21 September 2012 (UTC)

Tim Robbins

When material is contested, use the talk page to gain consensus....well what if I posted on the talk page and got no replies? Sancap (talk) 22:47, 21 September 2012 (UTC)

If there is no discussion on the talk page after a day or two you could always attract more editors to the discussion by posting to a relevant noticeboard. The most applicable venue in this case would be the BLP Noticeboard. --Jezebel'sPonyo^{bons mots} 22:53, 21 September 2012 (UTC)

OK. Thanks. Sancap (talk) 22:54, 21 September 2012 (UTC)

Louis Schanker edits

Hi,

As the family of Louis Schanker we question why you apparently removed references to Louis Schanker being of jewish descent. His father and mother both practiced orthodox judiasm throughout their lives and Louis Schanker always identified himself as Jewish. Louis Schanker's father and his wife came from Romania as indicated in the US Census for the Bronx, NY for 1910.

We appreciate your efforts to keep Wikipedia accurate.

[redact] — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.80.18.36 (talk) 19:35, 22 September 2012 (UTC)

Hello - thank you for asking me for additional details. In this particular case an editor was adding categories to articles without regard to the policies and guidelines governing the inclusion of religion and ethnic categories and they therefore had their edits reverted. The Louis Schanker article appears to be a rare case where the category was supported by the sources in the article, so I have restored it. --Jezebel'sPonyo^{bons mots} 20:53, 22 September 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for your diligence in your work. [redact] — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.80.18.36 (talk) 06:11, 23 September 2012 (UTC)

Page Curation newsletter

Hey Ponyo. This will be, if not our final newsletter, one of the final ones :). After months of churning away at this project, our final version (apart from a few tweaks and bugfixes) is now live. Changes between this and the last release include deletion tag logging, a centralised log, and fixes to things like edit summaries.

Hopefully you like what we've done with the place; suggestions for future work on it, complaints and bugs to the usual address :). We'll be holding a couple of office hours sessions, which I hope you'll all attend. Many thanks, Okeyes (WMF) (talk) 11:07, 24 September 2012 (UTC)

Prozess Technologie

Ponyo,

I am trying to create a Wikipedia page for our company, Prozess Technologie. Our marketing department wants to use the About Us information from our corporate website.

Could you help me?

Thanks, Derek

Derek Winters | Business Development PROZESS TECHNOLOGIE Real-Time, Process Analytic Solutions [redact] — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dwinters21 (talk • contribs) 21:26, 26 September 2012 (UTC)

Wikipedia has strong policies and guidelines with regard to the creation of articles that are promotional in nature, especially with regard to editors who have a conflict of interest in doing so (which is obviously the case here). Please review the notability criteria for inclusion for organizations and if you believe that Prozess Technologie meets the criteria I would suggest either requesting its creation at Wikipedia:Requested articles/Business and economics/Companies or create an article via the Articles for Creation process. Please do not use cut and paste material from the company website as this violates Wikipedia's copyright policies and is almost always promotional in tone, both of which will lead to the article's deletion. --Jezebel'sPonyo^{bons mots} 21:36, 26 September 2012 (UTC)

Deleting my edits on the Mihkel Harilaid page

Hi - I'm not sure what else I could source for "personal life"? I am close personal friends with Alex Vass and thereby am friends with Mihkel Harilaid as well. I figured sourcing his personal Facebook page that shows his relationship status and who with would be the closes thing to sourcing. I took out that he has children because I had nothing to source that either besides my own personal knowledge. Jumper4life (talk) 17:58, 28 September 2012 (UTC)

Personal knowledge is considered original research and cannot be used to add content to articles as it is not verifiable. If you cannot find reliable sources that discuss specific aspects of a biography subject's personal life it is in all likelihood not notable enough for inclusion. The dating status and likes and dislikes of a biography subject is really not encyclopedic. As you are friends with the subject it is likely difficult to step back and view the article impartially, which is why we advise editors to exercise caution when editing articles with which they have a conflict of interest. --Jezebel'sPonyo^{bons mots} 18:11, 28 September 2012 (UTC)

I have had a close, personal relationship with Mr'. Harilaid for several decades, and just this week, rather enjoyed his company for a lovely lunch with himself and his beautiful wife, Amy. I don't have a clue, why someone is so hell-bent on trying to change this, but I hope you can keep his profile locked and intact, the way he himself had it written, at the end of this summer. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Updater20668 (talk • contribs) 18:09, 29 September 2012 (UTC)

User:Sancap

Hi, Ponyo. I saw that, at User talk:Sancap, you gave Sancap a warning about his sourcing issues. Will you also comment there about his edits to the Supercouple article? He has twice removed mention of a couple because he personally doesn't believe that the couple qualifies as a supercouple, and he has been twice reverted on this so far because his removal violates WP:Verifiability. 85.10.202.142 (talk) 17:19, 29 September 2012 (UTC)

Sorry, I was offline for a while. It looks like Sancap refused to heed the 3RN warning and is now blocked.--Jezebel'sPonyo^{bons mots} 22:47, 30 September 2012 (UTC)

Debralee Scott

All I did was mention that the clip is on YouTube; I didn't link to it, per policy. Calm down and/or find a new hobby. RMc (talk) 23:20, 30 September 2012 (UTC)

The funny thing is, I had completely forgotten the fact I had added it the first time when I came across it again this morning. Since the article was already discussing Ms. Scott's game show appearances, I thought it was worth a mention. But -- swoop! -- in comes the Wiki Gestapo, with insults and assumptions of bad faith aplenty. "You've violated the rules! You're not cool! I'll block you, I will!" Geez. Grow up. RMc (talk) 23:34, 30 September 2012 (UTC)

If you want this inconsequential piece of trivia in the article, the burden is on you to 1) source it appropriately and 2) get consensus that the event is notable enough to warrant inclusion. That is how Wikipedia works; comparing editors who point out policies and guidelines to you to Nazi police will not bring about the changes you so clearly desire. --Jezebel'sPonyo^{bons mots} 23:51, 30 September 2012 (UTC)

Stop being such a jerk. You'll live longer. RMc (talk) 19:40, 1 October 2012 (UTC)

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