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Ruttledge

Hi Xn4

Do you have a subscription to the Oxford Dict. of NB? If so, and if you have a mo, could you add a detail or two to the Hugh Ruttledge page I've just started re his time as a civil service officer in the British administration in India? Also date of death? I have seen brief hints of his time in India via Google, but nothing substantial, and my library is of no help. Thanks. Ericoides (talk) 14:58, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

Hi, Ericoides. Yes, I do. I'll get onto that for you, no trouble at all. Xn4 15:00, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

Great, look forward to seeing what you come up with. Ericoides (talk) 15:01, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for adding those details. Ericoides (talk) 16:40, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

There's more. I posted the full text temporarily at User:Xn4/Sandbox4 - you can pick it up from here. Xn4 17:20, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

Done. Thanks for your help with this. Ericoides (talk) 14:14, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

No trouble. Xn4 15:32, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

Ballyhanedin

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Wow! Very impressive improvement of this article, especially the references. It's always nice to be proved wrong about these types of things - it helps the learning process. Well done Xn4. Ga2re2t (talk) 10:45, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for letting me know. I've expanded it to establish notability. Xn4 18:53, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

Lord Mayor of London

Hi, I've started a discussion at WT:WikiProject London, please take a look at it, it's my understanding of the current position. cheers Kbthompson (talk) 18:33, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

Many thanks for letting me know. I've left a note for Yomangan. Xn4 18:52, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

DYK

On March 6, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article William Wentworth, 2nd Earl of Strafford (1722-1791), which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Blnguyen (vote in the photo straw poll) 02:32, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

Many thanks for letting me know, Blnguyen. I thought that one had missed the boat! Xn4 02:34, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

Welcome note

Why thank you, kind stranger, for that colorful welcome! I'm sorry if you got caught up in this everlasting sisterly struggle for significance. Occasionally we harmonize quite acceptably, and there was a time when your countrymen and women rejoiced to our duets, but if you ever feel your ears ringing from all that brash sound of brass, you know where to find a softer tune now. ---Euterpe the Muse (talk) 06:59, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

O! for a Muse of fire, that would ascend the brightest heaven of invention,

A kingdom for a stage, princes to act, and monarchs to behold the swelling scene! Xn4 16:26, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

DYK

On 8 March, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Lady Louisa Stuart, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--Royalbroil 04:34, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

Many thanks, Royalbroil. That's a very smart idea to use a detail of the dark portrait I found! Xn4 11:31, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

another picture slot ...is this 50 yet?

On 8 March, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Banagher, County Londonderry , which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--Victuallers (talk) 12:15, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

Many thanks, Victuallers... my word, two picture leads, one after the other! Xn4 12:19, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

No, I count thirty-four DYKs altogether, but at this rate... Xn4 12:22, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

Big wheels

Since you are a Wikipedia big wheel perhaps you can help me on anticles I just wrote up on big wheels and its inventor Silas C. Overpack. I am looking for a good DYK hook(s) for nomination. One possible wording might be for a DYK is:
...that Big wheels are a set of wagon wheels ten feet tall designed to haul logs in rough terrian?
Perhaps a possible double hook might be
...that Silas C. Overpack was the inventor of Big wheels which are a set of wagon wheels ten feet tall designed to haul logs in rough terrian?
Do you have any ideas for this and if you have time look them over for any tweaking. Appreciate your help.--Doug ^talk 14:52, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

Those hooks don't work, Doug, because one of your references says "Overpack sold three sizes of big wheels: nine feet high, nine and one-half feet high and ten feet high". I also think some people might object to the title of the article, which doesn't really refer specifically to the subject. Michigan logging wheels might be better? I see that this article at forestnet.com says that "Overpak... unveiled his "Michigan Logging Wheels" at the 1893 World’s Fair in Chicago".

As you've also created the Overpack article, you could make it a double hook, something like the following. Xn4 16:07, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

• ...that Silas C. Overpack's giant Michigan logging wheels (pictured) were between nine and ten feet high and were always painted red? self nom by Doug Coldwell

Great improvements! I used those improvements and suggestions exactly as you suggested since they were so good. Thanks, no wonder you are a "big wheel." --Doug ^talk 18:21, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

No trouble, glad I could help. regards, Xn4 18:35, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for catching those other items also. I missed them - trying to do this from a hotel lobby on a French keyboard - which really is no excuse. This sure did increase the chances for this to become a double DYK. As you probably already noticed, I have received several DYKs lately (pertaining mostly of things related to the Blue Ridge Parkway). I will never catch up to you however.--Doug ^talk 18:44, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

I have no trouble with the AZERTY layout of the letters, but I find it's a pain to need the Shift key so much more, and I can't always remember how to use the third characters on some keys. Xn4 18:48, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

Exactly, you know what I am talking about! Mostly I have trouble with the third characters and what is where. Apparently you have experienced this also.--Doug ^talk 20:34, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

Made a few additional changes where I replaced the wording "big wheels" with the words Michigan logging wheels. I think the use of big wheels a few times is alright. Also now that I am looking at Overpacks business card it says Logging Wheels and never says "big wheels".

Overpack's business card

Thanks again for your improvements. I believe the double hook has an excellent chance now.--Doug ^talk 00:30, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

Yes! I was just notified that Michigan logging wheels and Silas C. Overpack were selected as a double DYK. Yesterday my new article on the Blue Ridge Parkway tunnels was also selected as a DYK. Previously Moses H. Cone and his country estate Flat Top Manor with Moses H. Cone Memorial Park were selected as DKYs. The new article on the Cone sisters I just started I think has a good chance. Also the adjacant property Julian Price Memorial Park and the past owner Julian Price were DYKs. Thanks for all your help on these articles. I really do appreciatre all your work on these.--Doug ^talk 12:58, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

Congratulations. Xn4 17:19, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

dyk

On 11 March, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article The Strange Death of Tory England, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--wow there are a lot by xn4! Victuallers (talk) 21:13, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

Thanks again, Victuallers... not quite so many as the man from Derby? Yes, for now I'm back in the mainspace, I'm not on the Reference Desk so much as I was. Xn4 23:12, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

Template:Princess Royal

Just to let you know, and I know it's a small niggle, but, the style 'Princess Royal' is granted rather than created (It's about the method through which the Sovereign instructs people to call her PR...). Cheers! DBD 10:37, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

Many thanks, I've corrected my edit. Xn4 11:41, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

dyk well done on another one

On 15 March, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Lady Florence Dixie, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--Cheers Victuallers (talk) 16:54, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

Many thanks for letting me know, Victuallers! Xn4 11:04, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

Just dropped by to congratulate you on that work there, a lovely article, an intriguing subject. Relata refero (talk) 20:09, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

That's good of you, Relata refero. Lady Florence caught my interest when I saw her Vanity Fair print a few years ago. Xn4 11:04, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

So it was you! congrats enjoyed that article very much. Julia Rossi (talk) 21:47, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

Many thanks, all such enlightened and discerning comments are very welcome. Xn4 22:00, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

Thanks

Thanks so much for the nazi women list. Is there a user box like Saul Bellows' quote along the lines of beware of wikipedia you can lose your life in it? : ) Julia Rossi (talk) 00:09, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

I made that user box myself. Try this one, I've picked up two lines of Freternia's song Grimbor the Great. Xn4 04:08, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedian

Voices cry, beware, you may not find the way out: you enter the world of Grimbor the Great.

Air-xlnt! a very cool userbox that says it all. Thank u Xn4, Julia Rossi (talk) 21:43, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

Cone

Today my article on the Cone sisters was selected as a DYK. Earlier I wrote an article on their brother Moses H. Cone, which also was selected as a DYK. I recently wrote an article on the Cone Mills Corporation where they received their wealth and submitted for a possible DYK. I'm trying to catch up to you - but I have a looooong way to go. Besides I am nowhere as smart as you, so I am sure you will keep a good lead. In a week or so I plan on traveling for a couple of months, so will not be editing. Maybe I'll come across some new things I can write about in the future. Thanks for all the help you have given me on my articles I started.--Doug ^talk 23:36, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

Yes, I saw the Cone sisters as the picture lead on the main page, congratulations! Have a good trip, Doug. Xn4 04:43, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

DYK

On 23 March, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article James Hackman, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--Maxim_(talk) 01:25, 23 March 2008 (UTC)

Many thanks for letting me know, Maxim. Xn4 01:56, 23 March 2008 (UTC)

AfD Nomination of Oxbridge

Hi, I have nominated Oxbridge for deletion since it reads entirely as WP:OR. You can find the discussion here. Coldmachine^Talk 22:42, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

Many thanks for letting me know, I've left some comments there. Xn4 23:21, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

Patrick McLaughlin (churchman)

On 25 March, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Patrick McLaughlin (churchman), which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--Bobet 18:20, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for letting me know, Bobet. I'm pleased to see him promoted as a picture lead. As often happens, someone (perhaps you) has improved on my hook. Regards, Xn4 18:50, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

Another DYK

On 26 March, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Crostwight, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Another picture lead, too! Bencherlite^Talk 10:23, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

Many thanks, and that one's more of a surprise! Xn4 13:34, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

Crostwight

A good article, well-researched and nicely presented. Well done on being featured as a DYK today! – Agendum (talk) 14:07, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

Thanks, Agendum! Xn4 17:20, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

Jacob

Hi Xn4 - as you have just bounced across my radar screen yet again, I was reminded of your love of Orwell and also of Enemies of Promise. Can I recommend a third work if you have not read it - "Scenes from a Bourgeois Life" by Alaric Jacob - boy from the same stable, beautiful writing, lover of Old England, scathing about Connolly (Palinurus) and denounced by Orwell on his infamous blacklist. Thats if you have time to read with all your editing. Regards Motmit (talk) 09:19, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

Hi, Motmit. You're right, I don't know Scenes from a Bourgeois Life - may I encourage you to give us an article on it? It's curious that Jacob, although six years younger, was another old boy of St Cyprian's, like Orwell and Connolly. I wonder how much he envied them Eton? Xn4 09:30, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

Hi - Alaric's article contains a summary of SFABL - originally written I suspect by an American teenager - which I revised after reading the book. In it he does compare KSC very unfavourably with Eton, so he obviously had regrets and may have felt he would have made better use of the opportunity than EAB did. Regards Motmit (talk) 09:51, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

There was enough there to make the start of an article, so I've moved it to Scenes from a Bourgeois Life, adding some wikilinks and copyediting a little. I'm sure you can improve on it, if you have time. I really must take a look at the book when I get the chance. Regards, Xn4 14:44, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

I didn't expect you to go to all that trouble, but thanks - a lot of useful stuff comes out of it. But you have set me a task to develop it with quotes etc. I have just got a copy of "The Unquiet Grave" of which ".....To these God-forsaken, man-forsaking intellectuals the whole war was no more than a crude nasty interruption". Regards Motmit (talk) 15:07, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

No trouble. I'll follow your progress with it. Xn4 15:16, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

Lord Francis Douglas

On 29 March, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Lord Francis Douglas, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--BorgQueen (talk) 14:20, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

Many thanks for letting me know, BorgQueen. I'm glad you were able to include the picture! Xn4 14:27, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

Category:Jewish Anglicans

I speedied it because it was created by a known vandal (user:Pionier and his multitude of socks). If you spot something similar happening, please let me know. Renata (talk) 16:05, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

I'll do that, thanks for keeping me informed. Xn4 08:19, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

April Fool's Day DYK

On 1 April, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Jovian-Plutonian gravitational effect, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Thank you for your part in the successful event! --Royalbroil 13:18, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

Thanks, I wasn't sure if that one would be used. Xn4 13:33, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

Dixie

It's not much of an obituary - more of a "report of her death", but yes, it's online. Published 8 November 1905. I downloaded the .pdf file, I'd be happy to e-mail it to you if you'd like. - Nunh-huh 21:37, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

That's kind of you, Nunh-huh. I've enabled email from other users, so you just need to click on 'E-mail this user' in the toolbox above on the left. Regards, Xn4 21:55, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

Unless I'm missing it, there's no way to "attach" a file to Wikipedia e-mail. If you want to e-mail me with your address, I'll get it to you. - Nunh-huh 22:07, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

Sorry, I didn't know that. I'll email you. Xn4 22:34, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

Safely received pdf, many thanks. Xn4 12:59, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

Russell Hunter

Yep. What is It with actors? ; ) Julia Rossi (talk) 04:07, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

Dramatic teeth? Xn4 08:58, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

Ш for sure, clink. Couldn't have been those eyes, O_O could it. Julia Rossi (talk) 09:26, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

W. H. Auden

When you assessed W. H. Auden as a core biography, was this agreed upon by Core biographies? Gary King (talk) 10:24, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

Hi, Gary. I wasn't aware there was a need for that. I see I said in the edit summary "reassessed as importance=Top, core=yes, per Wikipedia:Version 1.0 Editorial Team/Release Version Criteria - subject is a must-have for a good encyclopedia)" If you feel that should be disputed, perhaps you could kindly let me have a link to the discussion. Regards, Xn4 17:59, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

DYK

On 9 April, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Denise Robins, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--Cirt (talk) 06:42, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

Many thanks for letting me know, Cirt. Xn4 16:10, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

On April 10, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Badminton Library, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Blnguyen (bananabucket) 03:36, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for letting me know, Blnguyen. You found a neat hook for it. Xn4 08:52, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

Hadow

Sorry to lean on you again, but I can't seem to find a DOB for Douglas Robert Hadow. Any idea? Ericoides (talk) 14:15, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

It's 30 May 1846 - that's from The Patrician (volume 1), which gives a birth to his father's wife without naming the infant (ultra-correct), but I've tied it in with Hadow's age at death and with some details of his parents' marriage in January 1845, which are from The Gentleman's Magazine. Clearly, our Hadow was (as reported by some sources) the eldest of the Harrow Hadows. I hope you're impressed! Regards, Xn4 20:58, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

Hi Xn4. Thanks for all of your help on this; yes, I am very impressed! Ericoides (talk) 08:42, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

It's only a pity the Patrician doesn't appear to extend to 1857 online. Ericoides (talk) 08:19, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

Template:Schools in Cumbria

Discussion moved to Template talk:Schools in Cumbria. Xn4 11:31, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

It looks as though the situation is under control now, but I'll keep a watch on the page. Dahliarose (talk) 20:01, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

Many thanks! Xn4 20:34, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

Arthur Estcourt

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I really don't think that the award by itself is notable. If you want to test it before making more articles of the sort, please discuss it with me on my talk page. DGG (talk) 00:39, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

I agree that the Military Cross isn't notable in itself, but the subject does meet the General notability guideline, viz., has received significant coverage in multiple reliable sources independent of the subject, as defined in the guideline. I've combined the notes and references to make that clearer. Xn4 13:17, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

The Tireless Contributor

		The Tireless Contributor Barnstar
		I am awarding you this because you have worked tirelessly on the article Oldbury-on-the-Hill Well done! TwentiethApril1986 (talk) 05:04, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

Many thanks for the kind thought, TwentiethApril1986! May holy St Arilda preserve you, keep you from temptation, and shower you with blessings. Xn4 11:18, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

List of Old Marlburians

I am by nature fairly inclusionist as far as Wikipedia is concerned, but I do draw the line at having red-linked people in a list of "notables". If they really are that notable, then someone would write an article, even a stub, about them and I would be perfectly happy to have them included. As a non-UK resident, I don't know anything about him, so he can't be that notable! Dabbler (talk) 14:00, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

I share your dislike of redlinks in lists (and even more in navigation templates). I think the real issue is inclusion in the list, with or without a redlink, and that depends on Wikipedia:Notability. Pym, even if not world-famous, is arguably notable. Xn4 14:05, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

I also wanted to show a bit of consistency when I removed red-linked Pym along with the other two because they were not notable. Checking on WHOIS, I am fairly certain that the several anonymous IP addresses are probably Richard White himself on some sort of vanity project. Dabbler (talk) 14:37, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

No problem. I've started a new stub at Hugh Pym, I'll add him back as a bluelink. Xn4 14:52, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

Good solution and if our anonymous friend wrote a similar stub about his other entries, I would be equally happy to let them stay! Dabbler (talk) 14:59, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

DYK

On 18 April, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Edwin Boston, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--Royalbroil 04:38, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

Thanks again for letting me know, Royalbroil! Xn4 14:51, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

I can see now that you're a DYK veteran! Hope you didn't mind my alternative hook -- it was pretty much the one I'd intended to use and I was slightly surprised to see you'd got there first. Maintains my 100% success rate. However, was the first time (for me) that an article I was trying to push towards DYK has not needed much input from me. A good addition to WP. Cheers. -- EdJogg (talk) 09:12, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

And thanks to you for your help with it, your hook was neater than mine. I don't think I have anything else to add to the article, but perhaps someone who has copies of Teddy Boston's books (Font to Footplate, in particular) will be able to take it farther. Regards, Xn4 14:51, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

I do, indeed, have that book, and Rails Round the Rectory too (both courtesy of ebay!), and several railway magazine articles, mainly with a view to writing this article...!

I had wanted to use an 'alternative hook' about him being driven away from his wedding on a Midland Railway horse dray pulled by his traction engine, and escorted by his steam roller. But a short enough hook was eluding me, and I would have needed to add more details about his wife, and I couldn't see how to insert it all within the structure you created within the time constraints I had, so decided to leave it until later. (This is not a complaint, I just had to be realistic!)

I'll revisit the article 'some time' to make use of my sources, but I've got a couple of FA candidates to nurture first!

Cheers - EdJogg (talk) 15:19, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

Ah, then you'll be the one to take it on, when time allows. As the article's on my watchlist, I'll follow its progress. He's an interesting character. Regards, Xn4 15:32, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

Oldbury-on-the-Hill and Didmarton

On 20 April, 2008, Did you know? was updated with facts from the articles Oldbury-on-the-Hill, and Didmarton, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--BorgQueen (talk) 09:05, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

Many thanks for letting me know, BorgQueen. Xn4 10:29, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

DYK

On 21 April, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article James Howard (agriculturalist), which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Cheers, Daniel (talk) 12:38, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

Many thanks for leaving me the above, Daniel. Xn4 15:41, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

{{England-MP-stub}}

Hi - a stub template or category which you created has been nominated for deletion or renaming at Wikipedia:Stub types for deletion. The stub type, which was not proposed at Wikipedia:WikiProject Stub sorting/Proposals, does not meet the standard requirements for a stub type, either through being incorrectly named, ambiguously scoped, or through failure to meet standards relating to the current stub hierarchy or likely size, as explained at Wikipedia:Stub.

Actually, the creation of this stub has shown how much of a mess the whole stub categorisation of UK Mombers of Parliament is, so I have opened a wider debate on SFD on the exact titles of several such categories. I have announced this at various related WikiProjects. Please feel free to make any comments at WP:SFD regarding this stub type, and in future, please consider proposing new stub types first! Grutness...wha? 02:00, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

Many thanks for letting me know, but I don't agree with any of your objections and I've replied at Wikipedia:Stub types for deletion, pointing out that these pre-1707 members of the Parliament of England fit into none of the existing stubs. I created {{England-MP-stub}} in line with a requirement, and complying with the naming and other conventions, so that we have something to replace the completely wrong UK-MP and GB-MP stubs with, now that they are popping up in all the wrong places. There's no point in deleting the stub, but it could perhaps be suitably renamed or merged into something more all-embracing. Xn4 20:59, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

Well, that's exactly my point. That's why I proposed it for renaming rather than deletion. Renamings are proposed at WP:SFD, as it states at the top of the page and as I stated in the standard template note I left to you above ("...has been nominated for deletion or renaming...") Grutness...wha? 01:07, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

So "deletion or renaming" doesn't include deletion? How odd! Xn4 01:57, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

Lord Albert Leveson-Gower

Found a source: The Annual Register ("Lord A L Gower"). That inspired me to poke around to see if Lord Albert might be notable. Unfortunately, all I've been able to find was that he served in the Life Guards, rose to a captaincy, and apparently contested North Shropshire as a Liberal in 1865 but dropped out before the polling. Choess (talk) 22:57, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

Inspired guess, then? There's also a third brother, Lord Ronald Sutherland-Leveson-Gower, said to be the model for Lord Henry Wotton in The Picture of Dorian Gray, but (unless he had been rusticated) one supposes he was at school on that day in April 1862, so I think you're probably right. Xn4 23:10, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

No, no. Look down towards the bottom of page 52 on the link to the Annual Register: "The party [visiting Bedford] consisted of Garibaldi, his two sons, His Grace the Duke of Sutherland, Lord A L Gower, Lord Alfred Paget, &c.". Albert's the only reasonable candidate for "Lord A L Gower." Choess (talk) 12:23, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

Ah, that's excellent, I've added the citation to the James Howard (agriculturalist) article. For some reason, in my browser your link defaulted to the book summary, and not to page 52. Regards, Xn4 14:36, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

Happy Saint George's Day!

England

I hope you had a good one! Clio the Muse (talk) 23:04, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

Many thanks, Clio. A sunny and restful one, here in darkest Barsetshire! Xn4 23:06, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

4/29 2008

On 29 April, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Maurice Robert Johnston, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--Bedford 19:29, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

Many thanks for letting me know, Bedford. Xn4 20:20, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

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