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The following is an archived discussion of a featured list nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured list candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The list was not promoted by User:Scorpion0422 21:23, 27 December 2008 [1].

List of Kashimashi: Girl Meets Girl chapters

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previous FLC (23:03, 3 June 2008)

I have resubmitted this list to FLC as I believe it now satisfies all the criteria. I mainly used the recent FL-promoted List of Tokyo Mew Mew chapters as a model for this list. The first four volume summaries are all under 300 words, and the last one is about 380, and I'm not sure how to shorten it without a reduction in understandability and still summarize the main points of the final volume.--十八 11:01, 6 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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Resolved comments from Goodraise

Comments

  • "The first chapter [...] was serialized monthly [...]" - This doesn't sound likely. (Note: This is my only real objection. The following comments should be understood as suggestions.)
  • "The chapters of the manga series Kashimashi: Girl Meets Girl were was written [...]" - Though I realize, that other (even recently promoted) chapter lists use this wording, I still find it to be needlessly wordy.
  • Changing the color of the lines separating the volumes to pink, mirroring the cover image, might give the list a more uniform look. Perhaps use "LineColor=FECFFF"?
  • The specials stand out a bit for their different indent and because if their lines are broken, the text starts again under "Special #.", as opposed to under the beginning of the title, as is the case with the normal chapters. Note, that the issue of using <ol> and <li> tags to number the chapters is the topic of a currently stalled discussion of the anime and manga project at Talk:List of One Piece chapters#Numbering of chapters within the volumes.

-- Goodraise (talk) 13:09, 6 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

    • The chapters were released on a monthly basis because Dengeki Daioh is a monthly manga magazine. A lot of manga magazines are like that.
    • Points 2 and 3 were dealt with.
    • Do you suggest, then, that I change the listing of the chapters to the more traditional bulleted points? I don't see any other way to get the line breaks to be consistent. Either that, or just use bullets on the special chapters to distinguish them from the main 35.
--十八 00:47, 7 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Support: Meets WP:WIAFL. -- Goodraise (talk) 09:46, 7 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Comments from Dabomb87 (talk · contribs)

  • "The alien broadcasts this event over the entire planet which makes Hazumu rather famous." Comma after "planet". Why "rather"?
  • "Hitoshi even starts working at Hazumu's school as a biology teacher in order to further observe humans"
  • "Hazumu agrees to Tomari suggestion "-->Hazumu agrees to Tomari's suggestion...
  • "concert in December which is past the one month time limit. " Comma after "December".
  • "she receives from her part time job" hyphenate "part time".
  • "As Hazumu and Yasuna stand in the rain together, Hazumu sneezes which causes Yasuna to rush" Comma after "sneezes".
  • "Hazumu catch a cold. " "catch"-->catches.
  • "The day before the annual culture festival, both Yasuna and Tomari separately tell Hazumu that they love her, though Hazumu is later seen that night crying alone on the school roof."
  • "Later that night, Hazumu and her friends go to Namiko's birthday party which doubles as a Christmas party since Namiko's birthday is on Christmas." Comma after the first "party". Dabomb87 (talk) 04:07, 13 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    • Done, and I changed the wording in a couple of the sentences.--十八 04:27, 13 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
      • OK, but (and I should have been more clear) those were just examples of prose issues. I notice that at the previous FLC, multiple reviewers agreed that the article needed a copy-edit. Looking at the article history, there seems to have been little to no work in this area since the previous FLC. See my copy-edit of the first summary as an example of the work needed. Normally, I would copy-edit myself, but I have a number of real-life and Wiki things to attend to already. Dabomb87 (talk) 15:00, 13 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
        • Okay, I believe all the summaries have now been copyedited to the best of my ability, even shortening all but the last one to less than 250 words (volume 5's summary stands at 342).--十八 03:40, 20 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment (probably one you'd expect), but why are is the serialization being listed by date released instead of by the more appropriate cover date. Magazines are not referred to by their release date when identifying issues, but by cover date. -- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 03:54, 20 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    • Updated to reflect the issue's cover dates.--十八 04:05, 20 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
      • Thanks. Hmmm...I'm back and forth on supporting this one. The lead and referencing all looks good, but I also agree it could use some more copyediting, as I can see several places in just the first summary where the prose can be tightened up more. For example:
        "Hazumu Osaragi is pressured by his friends Tomari Kurusu and Asuta Soro to confess his love to his friend Yasuna Kamiizumi, who tearfully rejects him. Hazumu climbs the nearby Mt. Kashima to forget what happened. He surrounds himself with plants and flowers due to his affinity in floriculture. An alien spacecraft crash lands and kills him while on the mountain."
      • could be shortened to
        "Pressured by his friends Tomari Kurusu and Asuta Soro, Hazumu Osaragi confesses his love to Yasuna Kamiizumi, who tearfully rejects him. Trying to forget, Hazumu climbs nearby Mt. Kashima to surround himself with the plants and flowers he loves. An alien spacecraft crash lands, killing him."
      • -- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 04:16, 20 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
        • Okay, I copyedited all of the summaries once again, now even managing to get the first summary under 200 words, and the fifth one below 300. I believe that's even more concise than the summaries at List of Tokyo Mew Mew chapters which has less chapters per volume to boot.--十八 06:16, 20 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
          • Just to clarify, I'm not saying the summaries are too long (as I personally think manga volumes should be allowed summaries of 200-400 words as they generally contain more content than a television episode) and I don't think Dabomb87 is saying the summaries themselves are too long either. I myself am just trying to note that the prose should be checked to ensure it is concise and well-written, while also being grammatically correct. :) There are some areas where wordiness could be cut down, while in others, things are clear to someone who isn't familiar with the series. For example, in volume 2 it says "Hazumu recalls as a child promising Tomari to one day become her bride; this leads Tomari to reconcile with Hazumu." but why did that cause a reconciliation? These are things copyeditors look for and why its important to have a third party do a copyedit here. I'd recommend restoring your summaries two tries ago, then getting a copyeditor to go through the list to make corrections/suggestions. -- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 06:38, 20 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
              • It caused a reconciliation because Hazumu mentioned it, like it says. Beyond that, it's analysis and attributable to OR. Let me explain the scene (OR in red). Tomari has avoided Hazumu after catching her kissing Yasuna. Hazumu, who is naive and doesn't understand why Tomari is distancing herself, does the only thing she can do: apologize for whatever she did. While she's apologizing, she brings up the childhood promise, which moves Tomari to tears for two reasons: 1) That Hazumu still remembered it and 2) That Tomari had been thinking about it when the chapter began. Tomari, who realizes Hazumu hasn't completely given herself over to Yasuna, reconciles with Hazumu and their friendship goes back to normal. So, there's nothing more to explain. Similarly, much of what I just copyedited is written in the same style which attempts to write the summaries in a concise manner and explain anything that needs explaining.--十八 07:12, 20 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

More comments from Dabomb87 (talk · contribs) Looks better, although I was really asking for more precise and clear wording than shorter summaries. I still see glitches (taken from Volume 2):

  • "why Tomari starts avoiding her" Why not just "why Tomari avoids her"?
  • "During which, Hazumu recalls as a child promising Tomari to one day become her bride."-->Hazumu recalls her childhood promise to Tomari to one day become her bride.
  • "Hazumu and her friends go to the beach where Asuta deals with newfound feelings towards Hazumu" Comma after "beach".
  • "Hazumu runs away in fright to the biology room where she finds her friend Ayuki Mari." Comma after "room".
  • "but is content just watching that person." Add with after "content".
  • "When summer vacation comes" "comes"-->arrives.
  • "Yasuna suggests to her friends to go with her to the local aquarium amusement park, but only Hazumu and Yasuna end up going."-->Yasuna suggests that her friends to go with her to the local aquarium amusement park, but only Hazumu and Yasuna go with her.
  • "track and field club's"-->track-and-field club's
  • "where Tomari tells her she will not lose to Yasuna for her affections."--where Tomari tells her that she will not lose to Yasuna for her affections. Dabomb87 (talk) 15:01, 20 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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