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Deir Yassin massacre

Was the Deir Yassin massacre a part of Plan Dalet?

I made an entry at the Deir Yassin massacre talk page (Talk:Deir Yassin massacre#Part of Plan Dalet?) asking this question there as well.

The reason I ask is that Ilan Pappé in The Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine seems to imply that it was, writing "The systematic nature of Plan Dalet is manifested in Deir Yassin, a pastoral and cordial village that had reached a non-aggression pact with the Hagana in Jerusalem, but was doomed to be wiped out because it was within the areas designated in Plan Dalet to be cleansed."

This article says that Deir Yassin was conducted "independently of Haganah or the framework of Plan Dalet", but provides no inline citation.

Also, this article says that Operation Nachshon was the "first operation" of Plan D, but then goes on to later say "However, Plan Dalet had not yet begun during Operation Nachshon."

- IOHANNVSVERVS (talk) 07:04, 24 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Updated the article here. -IOHANNVSVERVS (talk) 03:39, 6 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This article needs a lot of work

I recently fixed the false claims (stated without citation) that the Haganah did not take part in the Deir Yassin massacre and that the Deir Yassin massacre was not a part of Plan Dalet.

I've added a 'disputed' tag to the sentence in the lead which claims that "If no resistance was met, the residents could stay put, under military rule."

Also the lead currently seems to be confused over whether Plan Dalet was an offensive plan or if this is disputed.

- IOHANNVSVERVS (talk) 03:43, 6 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Removal of "If no resistance was met, the residents could stay put"

I removed the following from the lead as being false (see the Pappé footnote/quote):

In case of resistance, the population of conquered villages was to be expelled outside the borders of the Jewish state. If no resistance was met, the residents could stay put, under military rule.^{[qt 1]}^[1]^[2]^[3]^{[disputed – discuss]}^[4]

References

^ MidEast Web, Plan Daleth (Plan D)
^ Yoav Gelber (January 2006). Palestine, 1948: war, escape and the emergence of the Palestinian refugee problem. Sussex Academic Press. pp. 98–. ISBN 978-1-84519-075-0. Retrieved 14 April 2011.
^ Ten years of research into the 1947-49 war - The expulsion of the Palestinians re-examined. By Dominique Vidal. Le Monde diplomatique. December 1997.
^ Pappé 2006, "Whereas the official Plan Dalet gave the villages the option to surrender, the operational orders did not exempt any village for any reason."

- IOHANNVSVERVS (talk) 19:45, 8 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Pappe

Pappe describes plan D as follows: "The orders specified how the expulsion would take place: large-scale intimidation, laying siege to villages, bombing neighbourhoods, setting fire to houses and fields, forced expulsion and, finally, the planting of TNT in the rubble to prevent any of the expelled inhabitants from returning. Each military unit received a list of villages and neighbourhoods to be demolished and its inhabitants to be expelled." - p.9 The Biggest Prison on Earth: A History of the Occupied Territories

It is an interesting overview that doesn't seem to be described this way in this article? Makeandtoss (talk) 10:44, 6 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

False dichotomy

Controversy section seems original research and has a false dichotomy between an "offensive" ethnic cleansing and a defensive nothing. Ethnic cleansing was the undisputed outcome; whether it was marketed as defensive or offensive by Israel is irrelevant. Same as the 1967 war the outcome was a brutal military occupation; whether it was marketed as defensive or offensive war is irrelevant. Makeandtoss (talk) 09:52, 16 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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[MEW-2] MidEast Web, Plan Daleth (Plan D)

[Gelber2006-3] Yoav Gelber (January 2006). Palestine, 1948: war, escape and the emergence of the Palestinian refugee problem. Sussex Academic Press. pp. 98–. ISBN 978-1-84519-075-0. Retrieved 14 April 2011.

[Diplo-4] Ten years of research into the 1947-49 war - The expulsion of the Palestinians re-examined. By Dominique Vidal. Le Monde diplomatique. December 1997.

[5] Pappé 2006, "Whereas the official Plan Dalet gave the villages the option to surrender, the operational orders did not exempt any village for any reason."

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