User talk:Ruhrfisch/Archive5

Welcome to my talk page. Please leave a message below and I will reply on your talk page. Thanks and happy editing! Ruhrfisch 16:07, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

Repeated histories

I have a question. What should I do about the repeated histories that are coming up at West Branch Susquehanna River, History of Lycoming County and West Branch Susquehanna Valley. Obviously the histories of these article are going to be very similar as will the histories of the creeks, townships, cities and boroughs. Should I keep up what I've been doing? The repeated information is beginning to bother me. Dincher 22:26, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

I found a mistake in the opening sentence. The Recreation Demonstration Area program (also known as the Recreation Demonstration Area program). It's definetly a DYK. ...that the RDA program was founded during the Great Depression to build 46 parks near urban areas in the United States. I figured that RR would have to wait for Antes Creek. I've been thinking alot about that stream. I wish I could go see it now! It's captured my attention. Do fish swim from the river all the way to Ravensburg? They must. Has anyone ever tried to go underground with the creek? Probably. Did they live? What's it like underground? Is it a cave? It must be. Are there strange types of fish in the cave? This list goes on and on. Dincher 01:30, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

Here is a bit of a mind bender for me this late at night. [1] I will read it more later, but wanted to pass it on for now. It's about the Nippenose Valley, Sugar Valley, and Antes Creek. Good luck on the DYK I am sure it will make it. Maybe I'll clear up some red links. I need a break from The History of Lycoming County. I am excited about FLC, but very confident.Dincher 03:29, 14 March 2007 (UTC) Freaky Fish here [2] way way way over my head. Dincher 03:34, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

Do you have any information about the grange? I think it has a historical marker sign too. Dincher 04:25, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

Eagle Grange # 1 is up and running. Let me see if I can guess the DYK. ...that Eagle Grange # 1 in Clinton Township, Lycoming County, Pennsylvania was the first grange to be established in Pennsylvania? or something to that effect or is it affect? My Dad would know the answer. Dincher 18:52, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

Thanks. Aisle weight two here about your success with the picture. I wonder if we could get it on the list? I think the whole grounds of Central Oak Heights would be a good candidate for the National Register of Historic places too. Dincher 19:21, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

The submission is in. Dincher 19:50, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

Pennsylvania

Sorry about that...must of being doing too many things when I gave it a GA. 1312020Wikicop 02:28, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

Do you think I should go ahead and make it a candidate to be rated GA or do you think the article needs more work? 1312020Wikicop 02:37, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

I think we should also change the importance rating to at least high. I think it could be "top" since its a list of state parks in Pennsylvania, and in my opinion that is important to the state. 1312020Wikicop 03:07, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

FLC is looking really good. No opposition yet. I had to think about what "RDA's" are. Thanks for helping with the NC map. I thought about asking, but didn't want to add more to your list. I got into "trouble" tonight for adding too many talkheaders. I hadn't read the directions regarding talkheaders, so it was my fault. Another bore at Penney's. Hearing ladies talk about the colors of their draperies isn't exactly fun. The weather here is spectacular. Spring has sprung in North Carolina. Dincher 01:21, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

I am also puzzled about the lack of activity on FLC. At least the comments are good. Thanks for the map! I will get started on adding the maps to the articles really soon. The map you placed is very near to where we will be spending part of my wonderful three weeks off! Dincher 01:55, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

When do you think the FLC process will be over?Dincher 03:13, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

Other state parks with iron furnaces are Pine Grove Furnace State Park, Kings Gap State Park, Greenwood Furnace State Park, I think Canoe Creek State Park, that may have been a lime kiln. I am not sure about the rest. I just took a brief glimpse on the list and none jumped out at me. Mentioning the industrial past would be a good idea. Dincher 14:53, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

Regarding the latest comment about the List of Pennsylvania state parks sortable problem I have posted a few ideas on the talk page. Dincher 15:33, 6 April 2007 (UTC) It didn't work. Dan has an idea too, hopefully his will work. Dincher 16:13, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

RE: etymology Pennsylvania

The source was a book on Welsh history i read last year. Either one of mine or one from the library. Can't remember which one so I'll look for it on the net as it's bound to be there somewhere. My mistake on the translation....Pen is Welsh so i assumed Sylvania was Welsh too :-) . The main problem is I have trouble adding cites without messing it up and usually ask someone to do it for me. If I find a source I'll message it to you. Wayne 02:32, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

It was easier than I thought as there is quite a bit about the naming of Pennsylvania on the net. This is one link to the etymology I used.

http://www.welshdragon.net/resources/people/wmpennshtml.shtml

This letter from William Penn to Robert Turner is possibly the original source so what I wrote will need modification. From this it seems that the King thought it was named after Penn's father in error. I’ll leave that up to you if you prefer:

"This day, my country was confirmed to me under the great seal of England, with privileges, by the name of Pennsylvania, a name the King would give it in honour of my father. I chose New Wales, being as this, a pretty, hilly country, but Penn being Welsh for head as in Penman moire, in Wales, and Penrith, in Cumberland, and Penn, in Buckinghamshire, called this Pennsylvania, which is the high or head woodlands; for I proposed, when the secretary, a Welshman, refused to have it called New Wales, Sylvania and they added Penn to it, and though I opposed it and went to the King to have it struck out and altered he said it was past, nor could twenty guineas move the under-secretary to vary the name.”

Here is a photo of the only known painted portrait of Penn that should perhaps be on the bio page.

http://xroads.virginia.edu/~CAP/PENN/pnintro.html

This link is the Penn family geneology/history, which contains a considerable amount of Pennsylvania’s history as well, so may be of interest to you.

http://www.csm.uwe.ac.uk/~rstephen/livingeaston/local_history/Penn/Penn_family_Index.html

BTW I found mention (in Pepys’ diary) that the Kings debt (including interest) to Penn was £20,000 ($20,000,000 in today’s money). Wayne 09:11, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

DYK

On 16 March, 2007, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Recreational Demonstration Area, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page.

--BigHaz - Schreit mich an 08:03, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

It's my turn to congratulate you this time! Dincher 20:29, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

I hope that you are enjoying your wiki break. I am nearly finished with the nearby state parks. I think I only have a few left. I saved the ones that are near other states for last. There is a few near Philly that need doin' and then those that are near central Maryland. I'll be working tonight and working more with Lycoming Counties many townships. Still waiting on FLC aren't we? Sunny and 60 degrees =) Dincher 17:28, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

I know that taking a wikibreak can be difficult. I feel bad when I don't do work. I expanded a few more township, now I think I will do some mindless work, too. But will feel guilty for not doing more township work. (The joys of being Catholic or maybe it's just being German) Remember let the "fire" burn itself out. ;-) Dincher 21:59, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

What is the checklist of which you are speaking? I am confused. Dincher 03:56, 21 March 2007 (UTC) oH YEAH I FORGOT. Dincher 04:24, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

AMA case closed

Hi there, I spoke to NFL after your last email and it seems as if he knows what it is he wants to do. Which would be taking the dispute to a higher power in wikipedia. Since he doesn't seek my mediation and I'm done dealing with him, I'm closing the AMA case. Now we'll really see what wikipedia decides. Best of luck. By the way, I'm going to begin posting all the emails on the AMA discussion page, if you need to add some, please do so.
Blah0401 01:14, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

I went and got all of the instances of any real emails and names out. Now that this is over i can say finally that I think you did the right thing and as far as I can see wikipedia has decided already as can be seen by the comments left on my 'poll' attempt.
Blah0401 01:14, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

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Rurhfish just want to let you know...don't gloat too much, I'm laughing at your seemingly success - I couldn't care less, except that Wikipedia has proven itself biased. I will continue to take you and Blah0401, and your biased actions to Wikipedia. Have a great day! PS: I hope you will read my comments on Newton Falls, Ohio page about my username.

DaVoice 16:04, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

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Rührfisch - how is it ya olé bursche? Hope this Easter holiday finds you well. Just thought I'd drop by to let you know I'm still here. DaVoice 20:47, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

NC Map

Ah, I like it! Thanks! Zanter 14:58, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

The Reason

The reason I reverted your change in the Lancaster county Template is because ther were some unincorporated communities that you left out. ''[[User:Kitia|Kitia'']] 16:58, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

...I put in 1909 is that I was bold. The other dates would work too, 1924 might even be better. The sentence about the uncertainty of the dates sounds like a good idea. Could go in now. Why not? I am working on Central Oak Heights now. Ever heard of it? Dincher 15:43, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

Mill Creek

I am working on Mill Creek Township right now. I state that Mill Creek is a tributary of Loyalsock Creek I am not sure of this. Do you know? Its either Loyalsock or Muncy Creek my guess is Loyalsock Creek based on fuzzy memories. Dincher 23:46, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for checking that for me. It's good to know that my memories are still in working order. Dincher 00:44, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

It won't hurt to have Central Oak Heights, Pennsylvania as its name, maybe I'll make it a redirect. It does not have a post office. It's post office is West Milton. It's a really nice place. I have been there tons and tons of times. Lots of wonderful memories. Dincher 01:28, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

We just got some more support. I disagree with the suggestion that we eliminate the space between the notes. The space keeps them seperate. Dincher 23:30, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

Nearby state parks

I think I have only 5 more state parks to check distance. Mt. Pisgah, Salt Springs, Buchanan's Birthplace, Caledonia and Mont Alto. Dincher 01:48, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for clearing up the counties. That was next on my list of things to do. Now I ain't gotta do it. Hopefully all the nearby state parks will be done by the end of the weekend. Dincher 04:18, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

I was going to ask you about an introductory sentence regarding the distances. Great mind thinks alike! Dincher 04:40, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

I'll check Hillman and Laurel Ridge. I found a few others too, Cowans Gap, Ryerson Station, Hillman and Raccoon Creek. Dincher 16:56, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

State parks are becoming a problem for me. I think about them way too much. I worked on the MD state parks some today. They are a mess. I am sure that you've seen that I've been working on the TopoZone references. I was sloppy on most of them in the beginning. It's been crazy at JCP, power went out, I see that the Buckeyes won again. Good! Dincher 01:39, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

• There already is a Maryland locator map. See here. Saint Clement's Island State Park. It could be made to look more like the PA and NC maps. But I am not going to work in the MD parks anytime in the near future. I have thought about working NC and OH parks. I see you're done with the nearby state parks. I will add Pymatuning to my list to check. Now it should just be the parks near Ohio that I need to check. Dincher 04:11, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

NEARBY STATE PARKS ARE DONE!!!! Dincher 03:18, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

Re:Hermitage Township

My atlas gives Hermitage Township, but that's my only source. Since that's wrong, what is that area? Is the entire township a city or borough? I'm confused. Thanks! Nyttend 04:36, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

I understand better now. Thanks! Nyttend 05:04, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

Featured

I saw today that we got featured! That's pretty cool. You did a really good job with making the list. I am waiting for the cool looking "tags" to add to my awards page. You can go ahead and thank the folks. Thanks! Dincher 17:04, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

I tried to put the star for featured list at the top of the PA list and it didn't work. Dincher 17:26, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

Congrats, and glad to help. : ) IvoShandor 18:22, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

You're welcome for the support, but you should be the one being thanked for helping write such wonderful artilces. :) – Zntrip 20:01, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

I still don't see a star on my computer for the List of Pennsylvania state parks. I think I have done what the directions say. I am pretty stupid when it comes to that kind of stuff on computers. I have also tried to put a maintenance tag on the list for myself and have repeatedly failed. I can get everything but my name in the box. Repeated failure again. I saw the request from the Illinois people. It's good to know that the list is going to serve as a model. Dincher 03:52, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

Congrats on the featured list. You and Dincher did a great job with this list. VerruckteDan 04:55, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

Illinois State Parks.

I saw that impressive template of Pennsylvania state parks that you did, wow. I was wondering if you would be able to do one for Illinois? If not, that is ok. Just be a lot longer trying to figure it out is all.--Kranar drogin 20:02, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

Well, I think the first one and foremost I would really like to get done is one similar to {{State parks of Pennsylvania map}}. I think that we might need a template like this {{Protected Areas of Pennsylvania}}, but I am not sure yet. I suppose we are going to have to start our physical geography page of the Illinois project and get some ideas going. There is really only a handful of us doing this project, so participation will be limited. Prolly what we could do to make things easier on you is at the very least stub all the parks out with that infobox and a limited amount of information and maybe a website to them. Anyways, enough rambling, yeah, the first map I mentioned with the dots is the one I was originally talking about.--Kranar drogin 23:51, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

Re:

Dear Ruhrfisch,

No need to apologize. Your comments and contributions have been nothing but very helpful throughout the peer review process, nomination process and I am confident that will only improve the article this time again. I am not familiar with all policies and all potential pitfalls of various aspects of the article, so this alert is much appreciated! LaSaltarella 22:00, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

Pictures

I see you're busy putting up some pictures. I like them. Especially the Hagermans Run Reservoir. When I saw that you put a pic up on Armstrong Township, I couldn't think of what you could've possibly put there. There's a whole lot of nothing other than a mountain and woods in Armstrong Township. Dincher 20:18, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

Would you like ideas for pictures for all the wonderful places in Lycoming County? I have a few. Thanks for creating the maintenance page, too. Dincher 20:48, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

The Illinois map looks good. I think the bigger map will allow for more accurately placed dots. Some dots are going to cover entire counties here in NC. But it does seem to be really big. I'll send you some ideas for pics soon. I am excited about the Dunkard Church one. That's always been an interesting little place. I've been working on the NC state parks. TopoZone isn't my friend in NC some of these parks are not easy to find. Dincher 04:05, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

Re: Ohio county infoboxes

I found a source stating that the Ohio General Assembly approved the creation of Logan County on 30 December 1817, but everywhere else I've seen 1818; I'd guess that it took at least a few days to get the news from Columbus, everybody gathered, the records sent north from Xenia, and everything else. I wish I had a good source for this, but the county website isn't the most helpful for sure. Nyttend 04:19, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

State maps

Hey Ruhrfisch, I've got a question for you. The maps you've created for Pennsylvania and Illinois, could you explain the process of creating them? I'd like to create some for others states and even of individual counties. Thanks. VerruckteDan 05:14, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

Indiana

Sure we can tackle the Indiana State Parks. I already made a few changes. I'll work on expanding the articles. Dincher 04:27, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

White River State Park is missing from this list [3]. I wonder what gives? I will look into it. Dincher 15:50, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

Looked into it and found this [4]. So do you think it should be on the wikipedia list of Indiana State Parks? Dincher 15:55, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

If life was easy, I don't think it would be much fun. That locator map is going to things a little bit easier. I think I will add info boxes today. Dincher 16:28, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

Tionesta

I saw you stubbed Tionesta Creek. Awesome. I have a bunch of photos, some on Commons. I look forward to expanding the article. IvoShandor 07:19, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

Pictures

I looked at your pictures for Lycoming County on the wiki commons. I would like to move some of them to the wikipedia side. Is this easily done? This is something I can do when I am at work if I don't have to first save them to the computer's hard drive. And I think that this

A covered bridge over Larrys Creek in Cogan House Township.

is a great picture and would be a good candidate for feature pic. What do you think? Dincher 04:04, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

Hi, Given that this thread is related to your picture on the PPR i'll save some space on your talk page. I took a look at the full version, nice size. It has a seconder so go ahead and nominate it. It is, by all standards, a good shot but in my opinion it might have some trouble passing FPC for a couple of reasons: it doesn't have any particular 'wow factor' (a criteria), the composition is ok but a bit more perspective on either side of the bridge would help, and also the image is somewhat muddy with either artifacts, high iso grain, motion blur or the like. By all means nominate it, as it is a good picture and i am only one man but dont be surprised if the same things are brought up. best wishes -Fcb981 06:17, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

Good luck on the nomination. Was it your intention to show the arch in your picture? Dincher 14:16, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

Well it looks like the covered bridge will not make the cut. I don't understand the problem with the trees. I liked the trees. They belong there. But the grange photo is going to make the main page. See here [5] I hope your Easter was happy. I got a picture of Lumber River State Park today. Dincher 02:14, 9 April 2007 (UTC) Thanks for suggesting the Grange in the first place. I am glad the chose your pic for the main page. Dincher 15:27, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

Peer Review

You will be pleased to hear that I have discovered that the combination of OSX and Firefox enables AndyZ's amazing machine to work for me and I hope I won't be pestering you any more about this. I am now slowly working up to taking the FA plunge and have posted Wikipedia:Peer review/Renewable energy in Scotland. All the best. Ben MacDui (Talk) 08:24, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

Geobox rounding

Ruhrfisch, I saw your question about rounding on Template talk:Geobox River, the precision of numbers can be set with the following parameter "discharge_round = 2". Just exchange discharege for whatever value you're setting the precision for. I'll see if I can clarify any of your other questions later. I haven't used the notes much yet in the Geoboxes, so I'm not as familiar. There is a user, their name escapes me right now, that did a lot of conversion to Geobox River and had the discharges and such well references with notes. They may be able to help, I will get the name later tonight. VerruckteDan 21:25, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

My (mistaken) edit to Montour High School

You were right to revert my revert. I saw "McKees Rocks" and assumed it was referring to some person. Clearly, I was anti-vandalizing a little too fast and I thank you for pointing out my mistake. —Travis ^C_T 15:01, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

Lumber River

If you have the time and the resources could you verify the headwaters and course of the Lumber River for me. I have its headwaters in Montgomery, Moore and Scotland Counties, passing through Robeson County and crossing into SC from Columbus County. It is known as Drowning Creek in its upper reaches. I've started on Lumber River State Park and want to make sure the info I have is correct. What I have comes from the Lumber River State Park website and we all know how accurate state park websites are =) Dincher 22:50, 11 April 2007 (UTC) Nevermind I found the info at the Nature Conservancy's web site. Dincher 00:15, 12 April 2007 (UTC) Thanks for that bit of info. I am surprised I could open it here at work. The rivers down here can be confusing. They have lots of different names and wander all over the place and are very swampy. Dincher 00:23, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

Here is the Nature Conservancy PA page [6] I wouldn't be surprised if you already found this, but anyway here it isDincher 00:28, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

I saw the new geobox when you made the change but didn't really notice the difference. I must say the update is an excellent change. Lots more info. Looks good. Dincher 00:36, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

I added a bit to Lycoming Creek tonight. I am not sure if what I added is entirely correct. Does the creek start in McNett Township? Creeks are a lot easier than lilies. See here Hymenocallis caroliniana I started it as a way to clear a link at Lumber River. It's not the right flower. I really have little understanding of biology at all, let alone lilies. Hopefully somebody will clear it up. I had to take bio twice in college. Failed it the first time. Dincher 00:29, 15 April 2007 (UTC) I also messed around some at Larrys Creek which I am sure you will see. I like how the caption for the watershed map links to creeks that are "next door". Larry doesn't do this. I went ahead and did it but changed my mind. I don't know if want it that way or not. I know that the FA requirements are pretty stringent about multiple links to the same page. Dincher 01:21, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the links. It's pretty interesting that they can't agree on where the creek begins. Dincher 01:36, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

Yes, I saw that the picture didn't make featured pic. Too bad. I really like it. Oh, well. Dincher 05:17, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

Shikellamy

I finally created Chief Shikellamy tonight. Got rid of a few red links at Conrad Weiser, the state park, Chief Logan. Let me know what you think. Go ahead and add more if you know more or fix what needs to be fixed. Dincher 00:32, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

There is nothing that stands out about Shikellamy for a DYK. I've been thinking about it too. The move from Chief to just Shik makes sense. I had made it Chief Shikellamy to avoid confusion with the state park and high school. I guess I will make a disambiguation page. Let me know if you get an idea for DYK? Maybe ...that Shikellamy's desire for a peaceful relationship between the Native Americans and Colonists was ultimately unsuccessful, no that's pretty obvious, but something like that. He worked hard for peaceful relations, but that peace was destroyed, as seen in the life and times of his son Chief Logan. I wish I could think of something. Oh, thanks for the info box Dincher 20:06, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

This wasn't the first time I have made things too complicated for myself. Thanks! The nomination is in. I would also like to had Shikellamy and Madame Montour to the Portal:Indigenous peoples of North America/Topics. Have you added any articles to a portal? I've looked for guidelines but can't really find any. I added the Tuscarora to this portal awhile back and it's still there. Dincher 20:53, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

I was bold. The user that changed the Shikellamy title seems to be involved with the portal. Hopefully I will hear from him. I really don't want to get too involved. I am spinning lots of plates right now, Lycoming County, the Indiana State Parks, North Carolina State Parks, etc. Dincher 21:14, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

Of course I would like a clickable North Carolina map. But there is no hurry. I hope to start working on them this summer. I'll borrow the book from the library at that point. Lycoming County is almost finished. I have about more townships and a few boroughs and then Billtown. I haven't found much interesting information on the Indiana State Parks. Have you? Dincher 03:06, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

Another DYK is pretty cool. That makes 20 for 20. Thanks.Dincher 12:51, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

Lycoming County

Making the list for Lycoming County sounds good too me. I think a clickable map would be a good feature. We could also include a gallery. Too bad there isn't more info on the Indiana State Parks. Dincher 20:28, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

I "stole" The Big Runaway and made it page just now. But you really made it. I just did a cut and paste job. It comes up alot in the history of Lycoming County. Dincher 01:06, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

Your ideas sound pretty good. I wish I knew where the picture of Rachel was. I don't think I've been to those post offices. If you're ever wondering through Montoursville could you find the Shulze house see Fairfield Township. I think his farm is now the big cemetery on the east end of town. The White Church too. I like a picture of each place in the table, but wonder if it will be approved by the reviewers. What they used to be is a definite as is what used to be Lycoming County. Dincher 02:47, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

I hope that you get a chance soon to get that picture. It's really good. Muncy is one of my favorite towns not named South Williamsport. I Googled Robert Covenhoven images and landed here. [7]. I google Rachel and found nothing, but didn't look very close. Could the image from the website be used with the same rationale as the images of Jacob Nolde and Robert Coleman? Dincher 03:22, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

Delaware County template

Thanks for correcting my edits to Template:Delaware County, Pennsylvania. The template box lumps together communities and CDPs, but I guess it makes sense that if a Wikipedia article has the same name as a CDP, then the specific definition of that CDP should govern where the community gets listed. I have noticed that there are some articles for communities that aren't municipalities or CDPs, so I figured that some of them ought to be included in the template as well. I'm thinking of preparing a Template:Pennsylvania Main Line template; your advice would be welcome. Spikebrennan 17:50, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

Image usage question

An image of public domain artwork cannot be copyrighted in the United States, which is what matters for Wikipedia. See Bridgeman Art Library v. Corel Corp.. So you can use the image you are talking about and and probably tag it {{PD-USGov}} with an explanantion about it being created by the WPA. -Regards Nv8200p talk 22:16, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

Any advice on next steps?

With thanks for your help, especially re Renewable energy in Scotland. Ben MacDui (Talk) 08:51, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

Thanks again - please accept the enclosed gong. Do you think it is in good enough shape for FA candidature? Ben MacDui (Talk) 21 April 2007 (UTC)

County Infoboxes

Great job adding infoboxes to all those counties! One note: there is no more "map" variable, so you don't need to add it (maps are generated automatically based on state and county name).

Keep up the good work! /Timneu22 14:46, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

Runaway

Thanks for including me as an author for the Big Runaway. Could you make a map for the article? Showing the valley and the routes that Silverthorn and Covenhoven took. What's the deal with the Buffalo River near Jersey Shore? Dincher 20:09, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for fxing the creek. I was confused for a bit there. Dincher 21:08, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

Okay. The spelling in Meginnes is gufy to say the leest. Dincher 21:25, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

Found a ton of info about the forts in the area here [8]. Wow! while searching for Meginnes' Ohoweveryouspellit

I have begun Fort Antes. Could this be the first in a series of Pennsylvania Frontier forts? I hope not. Dincher 22:34, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

Fort Antes is done. A DYK idea ...that Fort Antes in what is now Nippenose Township, Pennsylvania was one of just to frontier forts to remain standing following The Big Runaway. Or something along those lines. Sowhatchyathink? Dincher 00:45, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the tweak. I will probably work on Fort Freeland tomorrow. Dincher 03:26, 25 April 2007 (UTC) Good night

Fort Freeland joins the list of project to be tackled in the future. I like the idea of Forts on the West Branch. I'll nose around and see if the Freeland info is already on wiki at Turbotville, Watsontown or somwhere. If not I'll get to it in time. Lycoming County is too close to being done. Hopefully the history will be where I want it by the end of the month. Dincher 23:24, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

I hadn't thought of BR as a Good Article. Sounds like a good idea to me. I found info about a French camp in Armstrong Township across from Loyalsock Creek tonight. I hope to add it tomorrow. Loyalsock and South Williamsport are very big rivals in all sports. I am less than enthused about writing about Loyalsock extensively. Biased? Yes I am. Dincher 03:34, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

I think that the French camp is on the mainland. I may be wrong. They are responsible for the canon hole. The French camp is stated by Meginnes as being on the south side of the river near the summit of Bald Eagle Ridge and where the Shamokin path crosses. This is known as French Settlement. I am pretty sure that French Settlement is private property. I was wrong about a camp on the river shore. They did camp opposite Fort Augusta. Dincher 01:56, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

I like the map for the Big Runaway. I think you may have added a fort or forgot to label one. There's a little red house at the Mouth of Lycoming Creek that is unnamed. Dincher 21:51, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

Pennsylvania Locator Map

Hey Ruhrfisch, the updated PA locator map you uploaded doesn't have a 1 pixel black border. Just wanted to point that out so you could re-upload it with the border. On a related note, I created and uploaded my first locator map Image:Delaware Locator Map.PNG today. ( I also forgot the black border, but as a new Commons member, can't re-upload it right now, could you help me out with that? Thanks for the instrucitons on making maps, it made it very easy. VerruckteDan 22:18, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

DYK

Did you know? was updated. On April 23, 2007, a fact from the article The Big Runaway, which you recently nominated, has been featured in that section on the Main Page. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page.

Thanks again Ruhrfisch, Blnguyen (bananabucket) 05:17, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

Pretty cool. Lots of vanadlism though, too bad people need to waste their time like that. Dincher 21:32, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

Forts

A copy and paste from Buckalew about Boone's Mill or Fort Boone.

“ BOONE'S MILLS.

Boone's Fort was erected on Muddy run, a short distance from the West Branch of the Susquehanna, on the east bank. It was a grist mill stockaded and owned by Capt. Hawkins Boone (a cousin to the famous Daniel Boone), and, according to Linn's Annals of Buffalo Valley, came originally from Exeter, Berks county. Soon after the consolidation of the 12th regiment, Pennsylvania Line, into the 3d and 6th, Capt. Boone, Capt. Brady and Capt. Daugherty were mustered out of service and sent, at the urgent request of the people of the West Branch to lead their defence. Boone stockaded his mill and was assisted by his neighbors and troops in defending it. A large, hardy, brave, generous man, he appears to have been highly respected by those knowing him. His fall at Fort Freeland, in 1779, was a serious loss to the community, who looked to good results from his ability and experience; a confidence that was abruptly terminated by his bloody, but soldierly death, attempting to rescue his fellow man.

Probably his loss was more of a public calamity than any man in the valley except his comrade in arms, Capt. John Brady.

In rebuilding the Kemmerer (Boone) mill, the men employed dug down to the old foundations of the Boone mills, showing the present mills occupying the same site. It is about midway between Milton and Watsontown. The Pennsylvania Archives, Linn's Annals and Meginness Otzinachson all show his ability and courage and the loss to the community by his death, as well as his assistant, Capt. Daugherty. After Boone's death his fortifications are not heard of.

”

I would say include Fort Swartz as it was built to replace the some that burned.

As for the fort near Bowman Field I think that temp. stockade is a good title for it if you can fit it.

Coventhorn's trails could just be red or blue lines that are underneath the text but over the county lines and a key would fit in the upper left hand corner. If we could find more info about the forts we could write articles for all of them with a clickable map. But that is doubtful there isn't much to say about all of them. I like the forts section with sentences in the Big Runaway that should work for now.

Okay, Swartz is out since it was post Little Runaway. Buckalew says Swartz was built in 1780 and the LR was 1779. Dincher 14:26, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

I am working on Hepburn Township right now. I like the picture of the Dunkard Church. What do you think of including a picture of Balls Mills Naval Academy? Perhaps it could have a caption about the humor of the locals and the confusion it cost classmates.com. Or is that too silly for wiki? Dincher 23:24, 28 April 2007 (UTC) I don't know if you can find a resource for the famed naval academy. Check out what comes up on google. [9] looks familiar. It will still be fun to add the academy. I don't think Dan will mind, would probably enjoy the joke too. Dincher 00:41, 29 April 2007 (UTC)

Thanks I didn't know about the quotes on google. I learned something new today! Dincher 04:16, 29 April 2007 (UTC)

I started the list of the forts today. Just for something to do while waiting to finally leave Penney's. The Townships of Lycoming County are basically completed. There will always be more to add. I need to look at Montoursville and Jersey Shore. Williamsport's history is going to be a big project, probably will have it's own page. History of Williamsport, Pennsylvania. The whole lumber era will be another project. Dincher 22:37, 29 April 2007 (UTC)

I made the recommended changes to Fort Antes. Made sense to me to go ahead and change it. The Minnesota map looks good. Maybe I'll play around with those state parks some too. Dincher 20:11, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

Jersey Shore Steel

I created Jersey Shore Steel tonight. Does it read too much like a commercial? Dincher 23:19, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the review of Jersey Shore Steel and the ref for the RR. I am beginning to feel that a WikiProject Lycoming County or West Branch Valley is making itself known. Dincher 04:00, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

I like the Minnesota list. It seems like we've set some sort of standard. Pretty cool. Dincher 21:44, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

I had thought that JS Steel was not exactly in Jersey Shore. I've been it once or twice. Let me know when the Minnesota map is up. Dincher 02:17, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

Historical Miniatures

Thanks for the notice. I have no particular heartburn about that page going away, since the topic is covered elsewhere. — RJH (talk) 21:04, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

Woodchuck

Take it easy Mr. Maps. Soon you'll have made for all 50! I started on the List of Burghs in Lycoming County. It is now here User:Dincher/Woodchuck. The table is not set in stone. I don't remember what he had discussed putting in it. This is just a start. I think I have enough space for the rest of the township. I stopped at Fairfield for now. My one stop data base for this little project is here. [10] Of course not all the "comments" are serious. Just me being a wisenheimer. I am hungry time to grill. Dincher 21:28, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

Minnesota map

Thanks for the Minnesota locator map, its quite nice. I don't suppose you could make a larger higher quality version of it, could you? Also what is the exact place you got it from on the site? I can't seem to find it. Minnesota needs a good image for when it goes on the front page on may 11th. -Ravedave 02:46, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

You are correct User:Raul654/Featured article thoughts -Ravedave 03:15, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

Thanks, it really was a team effort. My advice for making a subject like a state FA: Find people to dole out subsections to, go to the library, and prepare to spend a month or two -Ravedave 03:58, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

Locator maps

Ruhrfisch, I'm hoping you can offer some insight on a problem I've encountered. The Geobox location templates made before the color updates on the various state locator maps are still showing the old colors. I've tried purging the individual Geobox templates, the maps themselves and articles using the Geobox template. None of this has solved the problem. Is there something I'm missing and do you have any other ideas/suggestions? As always, thanks for your help. VerruckteDan 22:04, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

U of I

Thanks, you too. I don't care if it was automated, at least it's something. Peer review is imploding. IvoShandor 12:03, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

The license is indeed correct, the drawings, while done by U of I students and employees were done as part of the U.S. government's Historic American Buildings Survey. That being said I am somewhat of a photographer myself and plan to shoot the round barns myself (or have my brother do it since he goes to school there). The history section should be easy to clarify. The boundaries may be a bit difficult but a trip to the library will help that as I do not currently have the info to address your points. Thanks for the additional commentary. IvoShandor 06:30, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

The map looks pretty cool, we would probably have to draw our own though, you think? I am not good at such things, I plan to move the article to GA but right now I am completely immersed in bringing Rock Springs Massacre to FA. Incidentally, if you have any comments on that it is undergoing an informal peer review on the talk page. I have outlined some specific open questions and there are some other comments that need input, it is almost there. If you could do a semi automated review that would be great because I want to know if there are any stylistic nuances I need to adhere to, there is a question on the talk page about non breaking spaces too, maybe you know the answer. Thanks again for the map and the peer review, I will be taking this article higher soon so I will be sure to let you know. IvoShandor 11:44, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

Great plan for the map, I will incorporate it. Thanks for the massacreee stuff! IvoShandor 13:47, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

Padahuthurai bombing

Thank you for the automated peer review, I will try to follow the recommendations Taprobanus 14:32, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

Amerikanisches Murmeltier

I added the named for, a good idea. I like the map idea. Is a clickable map workable? I agree with the Williamsport bit. The table is going to get too big. I think that area could be dropped. That isn't all that important compared to population. What do you think? Some web site told me that "Amerikanisches Murmeltier" is German for Groundhog. Was it correct? Dincher 19:23, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

Okay. We can put the type in with the municipality name. That removes the redundancy. It will have to been in ( ) I am not going to try 2 spell ( ). Dincher 03:09, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for deleting the slander against my beloved hometown. I did read on the gazoo's website that the team in question did clinch a playoff spot. They must be halfways decents. I like the changes to the woodchuck. I have seen several woodchucks in the woods. Sekond graid teecher's speeling abilitess ar affeckted by thare stoodents spellingg skillz Dincher 19:47, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

Re: largest cities

I left a first-level warning, Template:uw-npa1, on the anon's talk page.

As far as the substance of this: at first I wonder, is there an option for "Largest city and county seat"? I checked a random selection of other pages for governmental entities: three US states (Ohio, California, Georgia), three Australian states (Queensland, New South Wales, Tasmania), and four countries (Australia, France, Russia, Belize). None of the infoboxes for the Australian states (in each of which the capital is the largest city) have a "largest city" listed. Ohio has Columbus listed for the largest city and capital, but Cleveland is shown for largest metro; California is listed simply with Sacramento and Los Angeles respectively; Georgia lists Atlanta for both. Australia and Belize both list capital and largest city separately (Canberra/Sydney, Belmopan/Belize City), while France and Russia list Paris and Moscow as "Capital (and largest city)". From these examples, I can estimate that infoboxes generally include capital and largest city, even if they're the same. Therefore, I'd advise the same for Ohio counties.

All that stated, we'd still have to decide what to do for "largest city". I'd advise against, for example, including Kettering for Greene County, since it's principally in Montgomery County. Instead, I'd advise that the "largest city" be the municipality that has the largest population in the county. In other words: take all the people in the county that live in a municipality, and the "largest municipality" is the municipality that has the highest percentage of those. Somewhere there has to be some Census Bureau list that spells out how many people from a municipality live in each county.

And by the way, about the Pennsylvania "township" article that I created, Heritage Township: it's distinctly listed in the atlas, but in the same way as paper townships are in Ohio, so I guess that it's whatever Pennsylvania calls a paper township. Nyttend 16:17, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for looking around, but I don't feel like trying to recreate the Hermitage Township article or getting it undeleted. I'll leave that for people from Pennsylvania, if they want, for I don't know much about local government in Pennsylvania, except that it's different from in Ohio.

The only other counties that come to mind immediately are Delaware, Fairfield, and Union: Dublin in Union, and Columbus in the others. Akron, Canton, Cincinnati, Cleveland, Dayton, Spiringfield, Toledo, Youngstown, all of them are located in only one county — I can't even think of any such places in southeastern Ohio. Nyttend 20:26, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

Consultation of my Ohio atlas reveals that at least as much of the "developed area" (as opposed to annexed farmland) of Minerva lies in Stark County as lies in Carroll County, so surely fewer than 3,000 people live in Carroll County's portion of Minerva. I'd go with Carrollton.

By the way, the reason I'm assuming that there's somewhat a division of town populations: if I remember rightly, the census results for Ridgeway are significantly higher than my county map etc. reveal, which would make sense if the population only counted what part of Ridgeway is in Logan County, not in Hardin County to the north. Still, if nothing's available, nothing's available. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Nyttend (talk • contribs) 03:28, 10 May 2007 (UTC).

This Ohio State University website lists the population of each place in the county, including the balance of Minerva: 1,898 people in 2000. According to this, the Clermont County page, Milford has the highest single population. Nyttend 03:48, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

How do you decide that Amelia is the largest? It seems (to me) to say that the part of Milford in the county has 6,000+ people in it. Or am I misinterpreting something? Nyttend 04:05, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

The way you put it is great: expressing the idea fully in just a few words :-) Thanks in return for all this work! Nyttend 04:11, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

Pennsylvania Route 39

There was an automated peer review of PA 39. Could you have it be re-reviewed now that changes have been made? Thanks! --myselfalso 22:51, 10 May 2007 (UTC)