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Gorō Hobo

Gorō Hobo (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs|google) AfD discussion

I suspect this subject may be notable, but I can't support preserving the article as written, given its unsourced claim that the subject is "renowned" (apparently the result of reading too much into a colorful translation of the title of a book that has a short article on him); however, if anyone has quick access to that book and could fix the article. Wikipedia has a systemic language problem on this one, I think. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 15:37, 14 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Yes I have the needed books but no I'm not going to do this, and nobody else should feel obliged to do so either. For a longer and perhaps more persuasive response, see this; and if anyone would like to disagree (or even agree) with me, please do so there. -- Hoary (talk) 23:25, 14 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Hoary: See this. The comment you responded to, save for the last sentence, was mine, and not the above user's; either they were trying to steal my comment and post it under their own name on a forum with three times the watchers, or were aware that they would be found out (just forgot to include the attribution?) and wanted to place the words Wikipedia has a systemic language problem on this one, I think. into my mouth and hoped no one would notice that. For what it's worth, having created literally hundreds of articles (almost none of them stubs) on topics that are covered in hardly any English-language sources, I ... have complex feelings about this issue, but I don't agree with the "the deletionists have a linguistic bias" stuff that goes down in certain corners of the project, and the above user has participated in. Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 06:45, 21 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I just discovered the archives of Look Japan, and Google Books might have stuff about this guy. (Just remember to check the publisher of a book - make sure it's not self-published!) WhisperToMe (talk) 18:36, 1 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Karasumaru family

Request of translation from Japanese to English: 烏丸家. Is there someone specialized in that? --80.180.136.123 16:22, 17 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@80.180.136.123: Japanese Wikipedia is not a reliable source. The subject is notable, per the Heibonsha World Encyclopedia article on the subject, and someone will create an article on the topic at some point (I might even), but translating from Japanese Wikipedia is rarely the best idea. Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 06:38, 21 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Instead do Google Book searches (and check the publisher of each book you use to confirm it's not self-published) WhisperToMe (talk) 18:36, 1 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Nomination of Portal:Karate for deletion

A discussion is taking place as to whether Portal:Karate is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The page will be discussed at Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Portal:Karate until a consensus is reached, and anyone is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the page during the discussion, including to improve the page to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the deletion notice from the top of the page. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 00:40, 9 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Japanese honorifics

Please, someone can help me with this discussion? Thank you. --82.48.216.23 06:34, 7 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

One of your project's articles has been selected for improvement!

Hello,
Please note that Sashimi, which is within this project's scope, has been selected as one of Today's articles for improvement. The article was scheduled to appear on Wikipedia's Community portal in the "Today's articles for improvement" section for one week, beginning today. Everyone is encouraged to collaborate to improve the article. Thanks, and happy editing!
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Kana for Radical 13

Currently the kana for Radical 13 is given as まきがまえ (冏構) on that article as well as other Wikipedia articles. I realize that usually there are multiple names for radicals, but I can't find anyone that refers to 冏構 as まきがまえ, and instead everywhere else I look refers to 冏構 as けいがまえ. In fact, I don't even see まき as a possible reading of 冏. Some examples of sites that use けいがまえ: jisho, romajidesu, kanji alive, and even our Wikitionary article. Can anyone comment on this, and if not should I go ahead and start changing まき→けい ?文法楽しい (talk) 00:17, 4 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The only thing we would be changing here is the 2 lines Kana and Kanji in the infobox, right? The radical is 冂, not 冏. My dictionary calls 冏 a 俗字 and says it's rarely used. There is more information about it here (in Japanese). 冂 is also a kanji in itself, with the on-yomi of ケイ. As a standalone kanji it's rare, but one of the meanings is the outskirts of a town. On that, see KangXi: page 128, character 30, which our article on Radical 13 cites. A Japanese term for that is まき, hence makigamae. Here is a snippet from the Chinese-Japanese dictionary 漢語林, which says まきがまえ。えんがまえ。まきがまえの名称は、この文字を郊外の牧場の意味にとの、「まき」と読んだことにもとづく。 For that reading, the kanji 牧構 are often used, as in the Japanese version of Wiktionary. So yes, I would agree that it should be fixed. If we want to keep the character 冏, which is really there only for the reading "kei", change "まきがめ　makigamae" to "けいがまえ keigamae". Or if we want to keep the "makigamae" reading, change 冏構 to 牧構. That's probably what I would do. – Margin1522 (talk) 16:49, 7 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, I'll go ahead and keep the "makigamae" reading and change 冏構 to 牧構. There's a few other list of radical articles which contain singular lines in a table that I will change to reflect this as well. 文法楽しい (talk) 04:46, 16 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Daigaku and Daigakkō

Your input at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2019 May 29#Daigaku would be appreciated. Whether or not it's involved in the outcome of the RfD, I think Daigakkō needs some work. Please comment there rather than pinging me. --BDD (talk) 20:33, 29 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]